Need haelp from a marine Doctor

Discussion in 'Health & Fitness' started by wanttobeamarine86, Nov 8, 2007.

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  1. Hey I applied for the army two years ago but they refused me due to my medical history, when I was 5 years old I had a very minor stroke, also my grandad had a DVT about 8 years ago and the doctors said he had a blood condition that means his blood is slightly more prone to clotting than and everyday person. This blood condition runs in the close family so obviously I have it too. Im now 22 years old and fit as a fiddle with absolutly no health problems since my minor stroke 17 years ago. Due to the army refusing me on these silly grounds have I any chance of getting in marines???? can anyone help me with this information??

  2. In all honesty mate you would have to contact AFCO and speak to them. Im sure a full medcheck by the Doc is the only way to be 100% sure, but if youve already been refused entry to the Army by a Doctor, I cant see it being much different for Royal.

    Is it treatable? Im assuming yout taking asprin everyday to keep the blood thin and prevent clotting?

    Ninja do you have any more info on this mate?
  3. Yes im taking asrip everyday to keep my blood thin, my local recruiters are looking into it with their doctor just wondered if anyone knew anything on this situation!?

    when the army refused me they didnt even give me a medical they refused me just by looking at my records without even seeing me! Aparantly you have a medical with the marines before they ask for your medical records. Is this correct??
  4. Yes thats correct, however its a standard medical and I dont believe this would be thorough enough to have any bearing on your particular condition. They would rely on your medical records for that.
  5. Yes thats correct, however its a standard medical and I dont believe this would be thorough enough to have any bearing on your particular condition. They would rely on your medical records for that.[/quote]

    Cheers for the help mate, ill see what my recruiter says next week when he has spoken to the Doc!

    Its just so fustrating as there is nothing wrong with! me!
  6. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    The rough rule of thumb is that to be passed fit for service you need to be free from ANY medicinal treatment, outpatient check-ups or physiotherapy.

    Any life-threatening condition would be a bar to entry.

    The Application Form Information & Guidance Booklet (AFCO Form 5- available free from your AFCO) states the following:

    AFCO Form 5


    b) Unsuitable conditions. The conditions below make a person permanently unsuitable for entry into the services.

    ...Please note that the AFCO staff are not medically qualified and that the question regarding medical suitability is determined by selection medical staff.

    ...Heart & Cardiovascular Disorders

    Heart Disease. Certain congenital heart conditions e.g. repair of teralogy of Fallot, coarctation of the aorta. Certain heart valve abnormalities. High blood pressure. Raynaud's disease.

    ...Blood Disorders

    Certain blood diseases such as G6PDD, sickle cell disease, congenital spherocytosis, haemoglobinopathy. Any bleeding disorder or abnormality of blood clotting"

    The following has been lifted from the RN Website:

    "The Armed Forces require anyone who joins to be medically fit to serve worldwide. New entrants to the Armed Forces undergo intensive training which is physically demanding and mentally taxing. New entrants must be of a robust constitution and free from disease or pre-existing injury to meet this challenge. If you do decide to apply and your application is accepted, you will be required to pass a full medical examination. Your application will be rejected if you fail to meet the minimum acceptable medical standard for entry. Before a Medical Officer examines you, you are asked to declare certain information about your medical history to identify obvious medical conditions for which rejection is automatic. Please note that your application will be rejected if:
    You suffer from Epilepsy You suffer from Diabetes You suffer or have suffered from Asthma in the past four years You suffer from Colitis, Crohns Disease, or any other long standing bowel disorder or have had your spleen removed You have ever had a detached retina or corneal transplant You suffer from Rheumatoid Arthritis, or any other bone or joint disordersThe above list is not exhaustive and you may find that your application is rejected due to other medical conditions, not listed, but which are subject to the discretion of the examining doctor or Service Medical Authorities."

    When all is said & done the Medical Officer is the person who will give a definitive answer. If they cannot answer your query on the information provided, they will request your medical notes to make a decision. If they cannot make a decision from your notes, they will refer you to a specialist.
    Usually they can make a decision without the need to consult medical notes, it's only when there is a borderline issue that further investigation is necessary.

    Good luck
  7. Cheers for that mate!! Not looking good, but fingers crossed!
  8. yes mate I am!
  9. Awkward situation - as you state, you're "fit as a fiddle" now, but the condition could flare up and, sod's law providing, this will happen when you're in a forward position with no backup and you could become a burden to the rest of your group. There's also the issue of taking sufficient medication with you wherever you go.

    Each Service has its own medical entrance requirements but, in general, chronic conditions like this are not normally compatible with Service life. Sorry!
  10. But not to continuation of service.

    I had a stroke while in boats and was allowed to continue even doing extended patrols and going under the ice. The doc requested permission to carry extra aspirin and some other pills and was given it, so I continued.

    Mind in the light of the way they are treated now, it has crossed my mind that it was because they were short of submariners.
  11. Well at least it looks like there may be some light at the end of the tunnel!

    Thanks mate
  12. Notmechief -
    There are lots of medical conditions which prevent entry, but are not severe enough to medically retire you! I wouldn't have thought this was news...
  13. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    To re-iterate, as stated by 'angrydoc' : The issue is "Bar to Entry"

    The trouble with anecdotal information from those serving, however well-intentioned, is that those wishing to join completely mis-read what has been clearly stated & once again only "Hear" what they want to hear, despite what they are told.
  14. Well I find out this Thursday, so ill keep you informed! Once again cheers for all of the thoughts and suggestions!
  15. Hey, Just to let all you people that gave me advise, the marine Doctor has gave me the go-ahead to apply for the marines, so long as my local GP puts a good case to them I have every chance.
  16. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Good Luck & fingers crossed for you. :thumright:

    My guess is that you may have to undergo a specialist medical with a consultant in that particular field to confim your suitability.
  17. I would have thought having a clotting blood problem would be a goodhinG in the Marines you never hear of poeple dieing of not bleeding to death keep trying

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