Need advice please

WreckerL

War Hero
Super Moderator
Get him to look at Rum Ration and have a look through the threads, I'd be surprised if there isn't someone in his entry who hasn't either posted or looked.
 
Tell him you've rented his room out and any food in the kitchen is pay as you dine if he comes home.

I joined at just 17, OK it was tough but you just have to get on with it, the alternative was a recession hit town in N Wales!!! no thank you.
 

Seadog

War Hero
Moderator
I wanted to bail out during my New Entry and Part 1. I'm glad I didn't because although I had a love / hate relationship with the Navy in my early days, with guidance and exposure to good times, I landed on 'love'. However, even the bad times had and continue to have merit.

It would have been the second biggest mistake of my life if I'd bailed out early - had I been allowed to.
 

Zeb

Lantern Swinger
Tell him these 10 weeks are nothing like phase 2 according to my son. He went out and bought a massive tv and an Xbox to put in his room that he shared with 6 I think it was then. Also they get to come home most weekends if not on duty. I was pleased my son never wanted to leave and I gave a sigh of relief when the dates passed. I do think he’ll leave after his 4 years are up but we’ll see. Good luck
 

LateToTheParty

Lantern Swinger
Having been through raleigh in the summer, I can see where he’s coming from because the first two weeks are crap for younger people it’s brief after brief and you’re new so you have to be escorted everywhere which means you get 5minutes at a push to eat which ever meal you’re having, for some theres the adjustment of getting up at 5:45 6days a week and 7 on the other, getting used to hand washing clothes, a4 folding every night and only ever wearing uniform apart from when you’re sleeping.
I throughly enjoyed the whole experience but then I’m 28 with a lot of experience of being outside so kinda treated it like a summer camp, you could see some of the younger lads getting stressed with it but as everyone says Raleigh is NOT the navy it’s just 10weeks to get you up to speed enough to start phase 2 which is a lot more self managed but it’s still a bit bone compared to being in the fleet.
 
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Say exactly that. If he leaves he will regret it.

HMS Raleigh is a strange place. There aren't many places these days that throw 30+ people of all ages and genders together and expect them to bond immediately. The INT team at raleigh do a fantastic job of making them bond. Tell him he has worked really hard to get to where he is and to stick it out. Don't concentrate on quitting, concentrate on getting the job done, getting to the end and standing on the parade ground with his family and friends being immensly proud of him.

I joined the RN when I was 18 and I remembered being absolutely terrified. If he has genuine concerns then there is his Divisional Officer or Instructor who he can have a "closed door" chat with to hopefully alleviate some of his worries. Failing that, there is always the chaplain as a point of contact to release a bit of his anxiety.

It was a strange place in the 40's.

HMS Raleigh was commissioned on 9 January 1940 as a training establishment for Ordinary Seamen following the Military Training Act which required that all males aged 20 and 21 years old were called up for six months full-time military training, and then transferred to the reserve.


During the Second World War, 44 sailors and 21 Royal Engineers were killed when a German bomb hit the air-raid shelter they were in at Raleigh on 28 April 1941. In 1944, the United States Navy took over the base to use as an embarkation center prior to the Invasion of Normandy. Raleigh was transferred back to the Royal Navy in July 1944 to continue training seamen. Ealy in 1950 the base became the new entry and engineering training establishment for stoker mechanics. The cruiser Newfoundland being used for "onboard training, boiler room, auxiliary machinery, ships boats etc". The base was modernised through the 1970s, and in the early 1980s, Raleigh took on the Part I training for the Women's Royal Naval Service, and Artificer Apprentices as well as adding the Royal Naval Supply School. These had previously taken place at HMS Dauntless, HMS Fisgard and HMS Pembroke respectively. In 1990, the training of male and female recruits was merged, and over the following ten years the base absorbed the Cookery School (from the Army Catering Corps headquarters) and the Submarine School from HMS Dolphin
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
The reason recruits are kept busy is simply to minimise the effects of home-sickness.

Those at home can be the make or break of a career and, difficult though it is, the advice is "tough love". Tell him he's only been there a few days and you've spent longer on one wave crossing the channel on a ferry. Oh, and say you've rented-out his room.

On average, those bailing out in the first four weeks bitterly regret it, but no matter what they think they heard, they can be assured re-entry is not an automatic right, approval to re-enter can add several months to the joining process, there's no opt-out option upon re-entry - meaning minimum service would be about 4.5 years if he rejoins. Most re-entrants must wait a year or two until permitted to re-enter.

Don't give up, don't let him emotionally blackmail you & do not suggest for a nano-second that it's OK, he can return home.

Best o'luck.
 

Lynds

Badgeman
So many thanks for you kind replies of which I've actually relaid to my son.... I've spoken to him tonight and he does appear to be more upbeat than previous phone calls!
From what he has said in previous calls the moral is quite low! He said 4 have already gone and quite a few have made it very clear they are off after 4 weeks and have no interest being there!
I've told him time and again how proud I am of him and so confident he can do this, how he's waited 2 long years to be where he is! Just keep my fingers crossed he remains upbeat
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
So many thanks for you kind replies of which I've actually relaid to my son.... I've spoken to him tonight and he does appear to be more upbeat than previous phone calls!
From what he has said in previous calls the moral is quite low! He said 4 have already gone and quite a few have made it very clear they are off after 4 weeks and have no interest being there!
I've told him time and again how proud I am of him and so confident he can do this, how he's waited 2 long years to be where he is! Just keep my fingers crossed he remains upbeat
I'd be inclined to enquire whether contact has been maintained on social media and if any of the former recruits have regretted leaving yet - we often see them back in the AFCO within a week of leaving, claiming "I made a mistake". The reply being "You did" and "See you in a year or two when you are eligible to re-apply".

Rest assured pretty much everyone thinks of leaving and anyone who does leave will invariably try to coerce others into quitting also, so as to affirm their belief they're doing the right thing. People feed off rach other's anxieties and there will always be those gullible enough to think; "Well everyone else is quitting, so it justifies my leaving". They should be looking at how many haven't quit - even though they feel like leaving.
 

janner

MIA
Book Reviewer
As a matter of interest Ninja how many are discharged in the first week or so for health and fitness reasons?
 

Sumo

War Hero
I must have been a bit different, I was sick of my life in Derby (if you've been there?) and all I wanted was to join, I quit civy street and became a matelot.
I think changing time and a modern expectation of every thing is instantly available, and maybe as parents we try to give our kids the best, we make thinks to easy for them.
 

photface

Lantern Swinger
I'd be inclined to enquire whether contact has been maintained on social media and if any of the former recruits have regretted leaving yet - we often see them back in the AFCO within a week of leaving, claiming "I made a mistake". The reply being "You did" and "See you in a year or two when you are eligible to re-apply".

Rest assured pretty much everyone thinks of leaving and anyone who does leave will invariably try to coerce others into quitting also, so as to affirm their belief they're doing the right thing. People feed off rach other's anxieties and there will always be those gullible enough to think; "Well everyone else is quitting, so it justifies my leaving". They should be looking at how many haven't quit - even though they feel like leaving.

I was all about leaving after 4 weeks at first and then when the time came around it was the furthest thing from my mind! When I eventually did leave to do other things it didn't take long for me to reapply!


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