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Always_a_Civvy said:
I should point out however that many immigrants on benefits are obliged to do so by a government that refuses to allow them to seek paid employment until they have obtained citizenship. I'm nit picking here, of course.

Now I'm confused :? If we allow someone to immigrate to the UK, don't we give them rights of abode and work? Surely you're not saying that someone who we permit into the country to live must obtain a work-permit for each and every job? If however, we have someone in the country who is not permitted to work, then isn't this saying that "unless you can support yourself, find somewhere else to live"?

Here in Canada, I'm currently on a 1 year work-permit; at the end of this period, my entitlement to work ends as does my entitlement to remain in Canada. Should I cease working at the named company, I can remain in Canada however I can't work for anyone else. I am NOT entitled to any benefits in this period. Should I be granted a resident visa, then I am entitled to stay indefinitely and enter the labour market freely - I'll also be entitled to benefits should I need them.
 
Frogman.

I have followed this thread with great interest and although your original post seemed a very bigoted view designed purely to incite, it did stir the free thinkers amongst us, who don’t think much, and they immediately agreed with everything you said.
It was only after levers pointed out a few shortfalls that an element of doubt crept in, of course what you suggested would be nice but I dunno who would implement it?
As per usual our resident poofta (who will never give you a word when he can give a paragraph) didn’t like your suggestion that he and his should be hung up to dry, but then he never does and he really should be used to it by now. Interesting he should want a homeland for gays, might I suggest Beirut.

Anyway looking at your outrageous comments not from a jaundiced point of view but calmly and collectively, I have come to the conclusion that although you could have perhaps been a little more subtle, you are absolutely correct in what you say,

The pratt should stay in Portugal.

……….
 
UncleAlbert said:
Frogman.

I have followed this thread with great interest and although your original post seemed a very bigoted view designed purely to incite, it did stir the free thinkers amongst us, who don’t think much, and they immediately agreed with everything you said.
It was only after levers pointed out a few shortfalls that an element of doubt crept in, of course what you suggested would be nice but I dunno who would implement it?
As per usual our resident poofta (who will never give you a word when he can give a paragraph) didn’t like your suggestion that he and his should be hung up to dry, but then he never does and he really should be used to it by now. Interesting he should want a homeland for gays, might I suggest Beirut.

Anyway looking at your outrageous comments not from a jaundiced point of view but calmly and collectively, I have come to the conclusion that although you could have perhaps been a little more subtle, you are absolutely correct in what you say,

The pratt should stay in Portugal.

……….

I think what this thread actually illustrates is that if the majority become treated as a minority, then the majority will become "unreasonable". I accept that I have over the last few years developed a very nationalistic point of view. Rightly or wrongly, but that's the way it is. Until a few years ago, race, colour, religion or social background didn't come into my conciousness. The point is that A LOT of generally sensible, well rounded individuals are now saying the same things. Next thing you know, BNP are actually winning seats (for the record - no I wouldn't vote for them). Then it's only a matter of time before this sceptred isle becomes a septic isle of faschists. It will happen in my opinion. I'm not saying it's right, but unfortunately the minorities getting more say than the majority is going to push us towards it.

It was in part, the influx of gypsies, eastern europeans etc into Germany during a very bleak period of their history that created such a frenzy that allowed Hitler to take power and consequently tear up half the world.

This is why the government should listen to their electorate and stop pandering to the minorities. Everyone should be treated the same and if that means uncovering your face at customs then so be it, or making muslim children learn about chrsitianity in the same way as non-muslim children have to learn about Islam etc etc. This country discriminates against the minorities by letting them get away with things. That is treating them differently because of their race / religion. That's discrimination, but no-one complains about that.

I think the liberals ought to get used to it -it's the liberals and the cushy government who are causing it. It's the liberal councils who say we can't fly the Union Flag because it will upset the muslims, when the muslims haven't even complained. It's the liberals who assume they know what the minorities want, force the changes to suit their view, without thinking of the consequences for the minorities they are trying to "help". The rot has already set in - and it's you softly, softly brigade that are letting it happen. You guys are letting the hard right gain ground. LEARN THE LESSONS OF THE NAZIS OR SUCCOMB TO IT!!!
 
SILVER_FOX said:
I agree wholeheartedly with ideas such as shutting the doors, kicking out those who aren't legal, handling of yobs, harsher prisons & sentences, work shy, handling of aged and disabled ...

Personally, I think a real policy of zero tolerance and harsher, longer, bleaker prison sentences ...

Re the illegals? We need a straight forward policy of return to source within a week - no allowances for legal advice, appeals, etc. It would be a hell of a lot cheaper on the tax payer ...

An increase in the size of the Police Forces (25% all round) would be a good start with similar increases in Customs and Immigration personnel too. Reducing the numbers of chinless wonders who make and set policy (Civil Service) would help offset the extra cash required to do this ...

Again, fanciful thinking. I'd like to know how you would square tax reductions (the mantra for any government, because we are all greedy, self-serving bastards) with this giant uplift in public spending. I'd like to know on what legal basis your policies were based (especially the 'round 'em up' one) and how you'd select which chinless wonder was for the chop (and pay his redundancy package and remuneration) how you'd quantify 'zero tolerance' where you'd find money to build more prisons as a consequence of this and how you would deal with people who objected to your policies and voted for the other party and were now peacefull protesting against your draconian declarations.

Levers
 
UncleAlbert said:
Frogman.

I have followed this thread with great interest and although your original post seemed a very bigoted view designed purely to incite, it did stir the free thinkers amongst us, who don’t think much, and they immediately agreed with everything you said.
It was only after levers pointed out a few shortfalls that an element of doubt crept in, of course what you suggested would be nice but I dunno who would implement it?
As per usual our resident poofta (who will never give you a word when he can give a paragraph) didn’t like your suggestion that he and his should be hung up to dry, but then he never does and he really should be used to it by now. Interesting he should want a homeland for gays, might I suggest Beirut.

No fanks UA, too hot. Will stick to Greenland! :lol:

Anyway looking at your outrageous comments not from a jaundiced point of view but calmly and collectively, I have come to the conclusion that although you could have perhaps been a little more subtle, you are absolutely correct in what you say,

The pratt should stay in Portugal.

Dear me UA, and all because Nutty wouldn't send you £20!

bunnyjumper said:
I think what this thread actually illustrates is that if the majority become treated as a minority, then the majority will become "unreasonable".

Isn't that interesting. The majority moan about the minorities but get upset if they are subject to even a modicum of their own medicine, and believe me it is a greatly diluted modicum. I keep reading complaints here that Muslims and other minorities should develop thicker skins - yet come the crunch your own skins are very fragile. You wonder why we protest? Why, in your eyes our behaviour is unreasonable - yet when you are in a much milder version of the situation we cannot escape from through no choice of our own, you openly admit to the legitimacy of "unreasonable" behaviour, as you call legitimate protest. That Christian education you keep mentioning should have taught you to turn the other cheek. It should have taught you the golden rule. By experiencing something mildly akin to discrimination yourselves you should try to learn the lessons - rather than engaging in exactly the same kind of behaviour as the extremist Muslims.

I accept that I have over the last few years developed a very nationalistic point of view. Rightly or wrongly, but that's the way it is. Until a few years ago, race, colour, religion or social background didn't come into my conciousness. The point is that A LOT of generally sensible, well rounded individuals are now saying the same things. Next thing you know, BNP are actually winning seats (for the record - no I wouldn't vote for them). Then it's only a matter of time before this sceptred isle becomes a septic isle of faschists. It will happen in my opinion. I'm not saying it's right, but unfortunately the minorities getting more say than the majority is going to push us towards it.

The BNP are exploiting the failure of sucessive governments to provide for the poor working class, with their obsession with the primacy of markets/economics over people's lives and the quality thereof. The BNP tend to crudely stereotype the behaviour of some ethnic minorities, etc whilst largely ignoring the shortcomings of some whites. Ultimately this failure is the responsibility of an apathetic electorate and an unwillingness to fiance better services, etc for the poor vis-a-vis the better off.

It was in part, the influx of gypsies, eastern europeans etc into Germany during a very bleak period of their history that created such a frenzy that allowed Hitler to take power and consequently tear up half the world.

The rise of the Nazis has nothing to do with any so-called ethnic influxes. It was the consequence of hyperinflation, economic collapse and political instability. It was not helped by the Weimar Constitution's peculiar method of counterbalancing political power, granting as it did more power to the Reich President than to the Reichstag (Parliament), and creating political instability by allowing the Länder Parliaments (Reichrat) to challenge the authority of the Reichstag.

This is why the government should listen to their electorate and stop pandering to the minorities. Everyone should be treated the same and if that means uncovering your face at customs then so be it, or making muslim children learn about chrsitianity in the same way as non-muslim children have to learn about Islam etc etc. This country discriminates against the minorities by letting them get away with things. That is treating them differently because of their race / religion. That's discrimination, but no-one complains about that.

I broadly agree with this statement. It would be wonderful if everyone had equal rights, but we don't, and in part that is because of lobbying by the Christian Right in this country against change. A secular state on the French model would be highly desirable with a right to liberty founded upon Mill's Harm Principle rather than his father's and the British State's more utilitarian approach.

I think the liberals ought to get used to it -it's the liberals and the cushy government who are causing it. It's the liberal councils who say we can't fly the Union Flag because it will upset the muslims, when the muslims haven't even complained. It's the liberals who assume they know what the minorities want, force the changes to suit their view, without thinking of the consequences for the minorities they are trying to "help". The rot has already set in - and it's you softly, softly brigade that are letting it happen. You guys are letting the hard right gain ground. LEARN THE LESSONS OF THE NAZIS OR SUCCOMB TO IT!!!

It is not the liberals but radical left-wing socialists and trouble makers who are actually responsible for the more silly prohibitions. They are point scoring at the expense of the minorities they purport to represent. They are nothing more than parasites. Unfortunately some liberals are misguided in their beliefs that appeasing extremism is the way to conflict resolution. However there are conservatives who adhere to the same de facto principals. The solution is to expose this hypocrisy. It is hypocrisy for example to assert that when a Christian does X to A it should be investigated by the police, but when a Muslim does X to A it can be quietly ignored. This is clearly unacceptable, and I do not defent it for one moment. Double-standards of this nature are also racist, in any event, though that fact is usually glossed over.

When Bromley was run by the Lib-Dems I was not required to remove my flag. Nor was any other resident of Bromley to my knowledge.
 
All this is of course, food and drink to the BNP, lets not forget that. The other problem that will arise in the future, It is mentioned that we have a Muslim MP, no mention of a Catholic, Protestant or Jewish MP, Jack Straws lot are mostly Muslim, hence another Muslim MP is on the cards (who else would they vote for?) What happens when the majority of MPs are Muslim? Sharia Law? And before you bleeding hearts get on your high horses, Think about it, cut this out and paste it somewhere and read it in thirty years time. I wont be here. Have we forgotten Enoch Powell? Nobody listened to him and look where we are today.
 
I bought Enoch's book a few years back when he was selling them in Westminster Abbey for the restoration fund.He was right!!!
 
higthepig said:
All this is of course, food and drink to the BNP, lets not forget that. The other problem that will arise in the future, It is mentioned that we have a Muslim MP, no mention of a Catholic, Protestant or Jewish MP, Jack Straws lot are mostly Muslim, hence another Muslim MP is on the cards (who else would they vote for?) What happens when the majority of MPs are Muslim? Sharia Law? And before you bleeding hearts get on your high horses, Think about it, cut this out and paste it somewhere and read it in thirty years time. I wont be here. Have we forgotten Enoch Powell? Nobody listened to him and look where we are today.

Take a look here... (it will probably be gone by tomorrow)
http://www.independent.co.uk/
This has a map of which minorities are concentrated where...
 
AAC - I'm not going to quote you because it's a waste of cyberspace.

As usual you've read an opinion as a personal attack on your morals, not to mention putting a hell of a lot of words in my mouth. If you're so comfortable with your sexuality, why do you feel a constant need to defend yourself. I don't recall mentioning gays. I use the word minority because I didn't feel like naming the groups I was talking about.

However, I was pointing out that most of the problem is not the minorities (by which I mean religious and racial minorities) themselves, but the pig headed arrogance of left of centre (does that suit better?? Liberal is a word that hasn't always been attached to the lib dems you know.) do gooders who have the audacity to assume they know what the said minorities want - thereby p***ing everyone else off on their behalf by treating them differently.

Yes, hyper-inflation in Germany caused by the first world war reparations was a major contributory factor in the rise of the nazis, but the influx of ethnic minorities fanned the flames, along with other factors. That's the point I'm getting at - of course there was not one single cause. Not all heterosexuals are uneducated you know.

And for your information (and I don't know where you got it from) I am NOT Christian educated. I may have gone to the only school open to me which happened to be CofE, and taught RE as more like a history lesson. I come from a family that doesn't practice organised religion, and I consider myself to be a non-denominational monotheist. i.e. I don't follow the belief of the holy trinity. That in fact puts me more on a par with muslims than christians.....
 
bunnyjumper said:
AAC - I'm not going to quote you because it's a waste of cyberspace.

As usual you've read an opinion as a personal attack on your morals, not to mention putting a hell of a lot of words in my mouth. If you're so comfortable with your sexuality, why do you feel a constant need to defend yourself. I don't recall mentioning gays. I use the word minority because I didn't feel like naming the groups I was talking about.

I didn't mention gays by name actually. As for feeling comfortable with my sexuality: well I don't, but none of the avertion therapy worked, so I'm stuck with it like it or not.

However, I was pointing out that most of the problem is not the minorities (by which I mean religious and racial minorities) themselves, but the pig headed arrogance of left of centre (does that suit better?? Liberal is a word that hasn't always been attached to the lib dems you know.) do gooders who have the audacity to assume they know what the said minorities want - thereby p***ing everyone else off on their behalf by treating them differently.

I would prefer the term far-left of centre :lol:

Yes, hyper-inflation in Germany caused by the first world war reparations was a major contributory factor in the rise of the nazis, but the influx of ethnic minorities fanned the flames, along with other factors. That's the point I'm getting at - of course there was not one single cause.

Erm...

Not all heterosexuals are uneducated you know.

I didn't say you were! Most I know are highly educated.

And for your information (and I don't know where you got it from) I am NOT Christian educated. I may have gone to the only school open to me which happened to be CofE, and taught RE as more like a history lesson. I come from a family that doesn't practice organised religion, and I consider myself to be a non-denominational monotheist. i.e. I don't follow the belief of the holy trinity. That in fact puts me more on a par with muslims than christians.....

:oops: I owe you an apology here. You're quite right. I misread you. I though belief in the Holy Trinity was pretty fundamental to the notion of Christ as Extranatural, as against my own view that he was merely a Prophet. :idea:

GROVEL.. GROVEL.. GROVEL.. :(
 
higthepig said:
All this is of course, food and drink to the BNP, lets not forget that. The other problem that will arise in the future, It is mentioned that we have a Muslim MP, no mention of a Catholic, Protestant or Jewish MP, Jack Straws lot are mostly Muslim, hence another Muslim MP is on the cards (who else would they vote for?) What happens when the majority of MPs are Muslim? Sharia Law? And before you bleeding hearts get on your high horses, Think about it, cut this out and paste it somewhere and read it in thirty years time. I wont be here. Have we forgotten Enoch Powell? Nobody listened to him and look where we are today.

What a load of 'the sky is falling!' crap, hig, and you know it. Jesus, most of you lot read a few newspaper (usually the monobrowed, easy crossword types) and suddenly you're the new moral right. A majority Muslim government? So tell me ... how many Christians will vote for that then? How many Catholics?

Powell's 'Rivers of Blood' declaration is used time and time again by cut-and-paste little nationalists as the one beacon of supposed wisdom and a foretender of everything racist in society. People tend to forget that Powell was quite an honourable man ... one who did more in his past before that speech to integrate multiculturalism than many do today. But we get people crawling out of their insiduous little pieces of timber banner-crying it from the rooftops as though what he said was in context. Let me tell you now ... it isn't even close. It does indicate, however, the level of comprehension, inner strife and salacious fear and hatred which pervades the mindest of some who choose the easy way to hate rather than tolerate and understand. It's the same with the dealings with gay people. All gobshite strutting Littlejohns, ready to fart either misconstrued, inaccurate soundbites or assumed, recieved 'wisdom' wrapped up and around insecurities and fear.

Whilst it is a given there are many things wrong with this country, over and above everything is hatred. And you can't be a be a very good plumber if your own shithouse doesn't work. If you want change, start with your won back yard. Stop treating anyone else other than god-fearing good old white boys as shit and maybe you can claim some moral high ground when they get all hook handed and Jihad on your arses. Sit around gobbing off about shooting them and sending them back and all you get is contempt.

Levers
 
Levers Im old enough and bold enough and i do know of the things that Enoch Powell did, but if anyone goes against your point of view, you become enraged. I dont think i have hated anyone in my life, its not in my nature to hate, but we are all entitled to a point of view, which if you had your way, it would appear, would not be allowed, in short you`re a s**t, go and have a beer somewhere and cool down or are you anti alcohol or an alcohlic? Stop ranting so much its not worth it, think of your blood pressure and live a long and happy life as i have.
 
bunnyjumper said:
Always_a_Civvy said:
GROVEL.. GROVEL.. GROVEL.. :(

Hey, I'm chilled now. That was half an hour ago!! :lol:

I'm cooled down as well. Nothing beats a cold shower! Still...

GROVEL.. GROVEL.. GROVEL.. :( GROVEL.. GROVEL.. GROVEL.. :? GROVEL.. GROVEL.. GROVEL.. :p GROVEL.. GROVEL.. GROVEL.. :wink: GROVEL.. GROVEL.. GROVEL.. :twisted: GROVEL.. GROVEL.. GROVEL.. :lol:

Can I get off me knees yet, they've gone all red...?
 
This is a site for RN and RM issues. This sort of post would be better suited to a BNP site. I hate to think what a potential RN/RM recruit would think... I hope they realise that some of the posters left the RN when there was only one ship, HMS ARK, and Capt Noah was CO. Some of the posters here are dinosaurs and their views (thankfully) reflect an age long past.

Frogman, you say you are a Christian... if so you are a disgrace and a fraud. You should not fear God out of terror, but love. And remember, that Christianity is a religion originally foreign to these shores, an Eastern religion brought here by immigration.

Given your age I expect that in the next few years you will find yourself in a nursing home, where you will find yourself cared for by the very people you despise, and supported by their taxes as you will not be earning...
 

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