Naval Intelligence, myth or mythleading???

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  1. So I'm half way through applying as a warfare officer (regular), and thinking of going subs. However I'm really interested in intelligence (int). So far all I've found is the RNR HMS Ferret and a rather hush hush name dropped after a few rounds at the bar... 'Deep Spec'...

    I realise that it's a bit early to be thinking of specialisations as most of these take place after phase 1, and that as a WO you get some exposure to int roles during your first 3 years. But, necessary omissions for OPSEC considered, can anyone shed some light on what 'Deep Spec' is, and whether there is a role in naval intelligence for a regular officer?

    PS. From other threads I've heard that RNR int officers are labelled sea-dodgers and generally only act in a managerial position... Is there any truth to this?
  2. The Int Officer sub-spec exists, and is entered after your first complete sea job as an OOW. The Lts in the Branch are generally high quality, and produce a decent output. RN Int Officers act as analysts, and can serve at sea or shore, although I would say the vast majority are shore based. It has a relatively defined path to Cdr RN, but you will be against some fairly stiff competition.

    Deep Spec refers to CT and EW Ratings who become Officers, and remain solely in branch, and are very unlikely to get beyond Lt Cdr RN.

    Ignore any comments about STC and/or splash target cox'n in any following comments. It used to be a moderately funny way of kidding people along, now it's just boring bollocks. It's entirely made up.
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  3. Right! Thanks a lot, that's really helpful!
  4. RNR in general don't get to do the full set of courses to be much use at sea (can't generally get on BSSC and only do the two-day Embarked Forces, for an easy example); plus DD/FF deployed in interesting places tend to be pretty rammed even before trials and other oddball stuff, so they're generally not desperately keen to have what used to be called a 'waister' taking up one of the spare bunks they don't have without a very good cause. I went to sea a lot more often as a civilian than as RNR (albeit I was in a niche role at the time for the day job).

    However, RNR intelligence is a place where you can still be a practitioner more than a manager as an officer: you'll still be expected to lead if required, but I've been doing a lot more analysis than management. In fact, one of the tasks kicking off at the moment has me effectively working for a PO: he's done it before and knows the ropes so he's up front and I'm supporting and following, and we'll just pretend I'm in charge if any grown-ups check up on us.
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  5. Seadog

    Seadog War Hero Moderator

    AtG, the "informative" was for the news that STC is made up. I had no idea.

    More seriously, you're right, it's been done to death and is dull.
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  6. It may be dull Seadog but even you must admit that more than a few posters have earned STC replies:D
  7. Sir.
    Many RNR officers could learn much from you!
  8. Purple_twiglet

    Purple_twiglet War Hero Moderator

    I'd second views on STC as a very dull and past it joke.

    From my perspective, 'int' in the RN and RNR has suffered in the past from two problems - good applicants thinking they will be doing something 'cool' and interesting and then getting in and discovering that its 99% routine and straightforward and actually very dull, and that in doing so they've committed career suicide.
    The second problem is the lack of the RN / RNR working out a credible long term career path so that someone going Int can do it, remain credible and still have a path to OF5 and beyond.

    The result is an area which has potential but where enormous frustrations abound. Not helped by some of the personalities in it being less than stellar which in turn undermines the case for the role in the eyes of the 'mainstream navy'.

    The problem is always going to be that working in a closed environment with little opportunity for real broadening, nor to drive at the end means that Int is going to remain rather like the Droggies. Utterly vital, utterly sidelined.
  9. Seadog

    Seadog War Hero Moderator

    The dirtiest ( as in minging) naval bastard, officer or rating I ever had the displeasure to catch a sniff of was an int officer. Not a core function or skill, more of a collator of reports on What Ivan's AGIs were up to. He did however, think he was Bond right down to the sports car.

    The Chief of Staff thought he was a filthy dirty disgrace and didn't wait for a private moment to tell him so.

    Just a dit, adds no value to the OP's RFI. Carry on.
  10. Seadog

    Seadog War Hero Moderator

    My man was less than stellar. More like one of those asteroids too small to name, unless their orbit spells the end of civilisation.
  11. Purple_twiglet

    Purple_twiglet War Hero Moderator

    Did he have a surname like a well known brand of chewing gum by any chance?

    Some of the ones I've known struggle to dress themselves, and sadly lack any compensating qualities to make up for this.
  12. Seadog

    Seadog War Hero Moderator

    Asked like an intelligence officer PT, subtle and nail head.
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  13. I've only been exposed to intelligence and media ops via the farce that are the Triton Warrior exercises, in both cases there appeared to be no analysis whatsoever merely a successful transition of words from signal to Powerpoint brief. Is that due to TW being ignored by the switched on, or is it really that bad?
  14. Trainer

    Trainer War Hero Book Reviewer

  15. I could tell you but Alfred the Great would probably put a contract out on me if I did:D:D
  16. Purple_twiglet

    Purple_twiglet War Hero Moderator

    Ask your DO, and don't be surprised if he mishears you and refers you to the PMO...

  17. Clearly there is a groundswell of feeling about this.

    But STC did exist in a Crab context; HQSTC was HQ RAF Strike Command.

    What's next on the disapproved list? The golden rivet?
  18. Purple_twiglet

    Purple_twiglet War Hero Moderator

    I think the problem is that the STC is a not particularly funny joke at the best of times, and was taken to extremes here by certain posters. At one stage it felt as if every new post was a 'hey go ask / join / sleep with the STC' reply, which was neither funny nor helpful.

    The general rule of thumb is that if you absolutely must make STC inspired 'jokes' then feel free to do it across this site, but don't do it on the newbies section because we try to keep things slightly more serious here as we're often dealing with total newbies who have no idea what is going on.
  19. Trainer

    Trainer War Hero Book Reviewer

    Oh.......................... Splash Target Coxswain, boy is my face red.
  20. Trainer

    Trainer War Hero Book Reviewer

    To return to the OP, I do know some people at FERRET, on the RNR side of things, but probably can't help RN wise. I'm led to believe that if your e-mail addy is [email protected] they will throw you in the bin...

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