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National Service and Special Branch query

CB45

Newbie
Hello! I am trying to locate information on my uncle's time in National Service and beyond. He was called up in 1957 for National Service and stayed on for a couple of years after his NS stint finished.

I understand he was a Russian Linguist with the Navy and I have also seen on Ancestry.com a Navy list for Spring 1962 with his name in the Special Branch Acting Sub-Lieutenant column. There is a (proby) next to his name and a date of 30.3.60 then UN. (S) 10. I don't know what that means. Would anyone know or be able to point me in the right direction?

Many thanks!
 

huwshpis

War Hero
(proby) means probationary. That is, as of 30.3.60, he was being tried out as a junior Naval Officer in a particular role. I have no idea what UN (S) 10 may mean, but there is a guide to the abbreviations in the hard copies of the Navy List - has Ancestry reproduced this?
 
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Deleted 97779

Guest
Hello! I am trying to locate information on my uncle's time in National Service and beyond. He was called up in 1957 for National Service and stayed on for a couple of years after his NS stint finished.

I understand he was a Russian Linguist with the Navy and I have also seen on Ancestry.com a Navy list for Spring 1962 with his name in the Special Branch Acting Sub-Lieutenant column. There is a (proby) next to his name and a date of 30.3.60 then UN. (S) 10. I don't know what that means. Would anyone know or be able to point me in the right direction?

Many thanks!
See:- The Coder Special Archive by Tony Cash and Mike Gerrard both ex NS coders SP.
The book is available on EBay £12.49 A cracking good read from Surrey Downs to Germany
 
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Deleted 97779

Guest
Hello! I am trying to locate information on my uncle's time in National Service and beyond. He was called up in 1957 for National Service and stayed on for a couple of years after his NS stint finished.

I understand he was a Russian Linguist with the Navy and I have also seen on Ancestry.com a Navy list for Spring 1962 with his name in the Special Branch Acting Sub-Lieutenant column. There is a (proby) next to his name and a date of 30.3.60 then UN. (S) 10. I don't know what that means. Would anyone know or be able to point me in the right direction?

Many thanks!
If you dont want to buy the book log on to HMS Royal Charlotte Cuxhaven . It is an area I know quite a bit about.
 

soleil

War Hero
Hello! I am trying to locate information on my uncle's time in National Service and beyond. He was called up in 1957 for National Service and stayed on for a couple of years after his NS stint finished.

I understand he was a Russian Linguist with the Navy and I have also seen on Ancestry.com a Navy list for Spring 1962 with his name in the Special Branch Acting Sub-Lieutenant column. There is a (proby) next to his name and a date of 30.3.60 then UN. (S) 10. I don't know what that means. Would anyone know or be able to point me in the right direction?

Many thanks!

If he features on the Navy List, it's possible that his Service Record might be available.

Given the nature of his role, it is also possible that parts of the record may be redacted.

You can apply and see what is available.

 
@CB45 - The Link below might interest you as it is a 29 page pdf booklet describing the National Service of an RN Coder - A little earlier but during the same era of your father.

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WreckerL

War Hero
Super Moderator
@CB45 - The Link below might interest you as it is a 29 page pdf booklet describing the National Service of an RN Coder - A little earlier but during the same era of your father.

View attachment 54276

Every day is a school day, I never knew there was a Joint Services School of Linguistics at Coulsdon, Surrey. I grew up in Caterham which is next door and went to Coulsdon regularly on my bike as a kid.

It was on Coulsdon Common evidently, which where all us kids used to go and muck about in the woods. I knew there were remains of WW2 era buildings around there but thought they were part of Caterham Barracks (now shut down).
 
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Deleted 97779

Guest
If he features on the Navy List, it's possible that his Service Record might be available.

Given the nature of his role, it is also possible that parts of the record may be redacted.

You can apply and see what is available.

The Russian linguists drafted into NS in the navy as SP coders were subjected to the same nonsenses as we all were in those days. His Russian is excellent but it depends on which school he attended. A state Grammar School ?Ahem1 The book excellently lays bare the class divisionss of the time.
An old chum of mine from Stoker at Raleigh to something better spent his early life in Russia where his father was a concert pianist. His amah taught him well and he was able to put his basic Russian to good use on ships in close proximity to rRussian vessels
. He is still fulminating (gremuchiy) that he was never paid an extra penny for his efforts. Solei refers to the Navy Llist. It used to list paid linguists (interpreters) who got paid whether or not they uttered a word. it's a cruel world.
 
If you dont want to buy the book log on to HMS Royal Charlotte Cuxhaven . It is an area I know quite a bit about.

No link given but I presume @fortgang means " log on to this" = https://www.forcesreunited.co.uk/units/1261/hms-royal-charlotte ??


That link merely lists a few names of those who's RN service included time on the books of:
either HMS Royal Charlotte, which for a short time immediately post war was a small Cuxhaven based Launch or at what later became the name of the SIGINT shore base near Keil. OP would have to engage with that site if he wanted further information

The pdf file Posted at #8 states that the Coder Author, Dr MILLs, served at HMS ROYAL ALBERT, Cuxhaven (which at that time was both the name for a small launch and for the shorebased SIGINT stone frigate there) As a NS watchkeeper firstly between May & Oct 1954 when his NS finished & then back again as a RNVR Reservist in Apr '55.

His final annual RNVR cpmmitments were met in Apr 56 & Aug 57 but this time at HMS ROYAL CHARLOTTE, near Kiel, presumably on similar SIGINT shoreside watchkeeping duties.
 
<<...http://www.godfreydykes.info/THE_ROYAL_NAVAL_RHINE_SQUADRON_RNRS%20.html...>>


Bonus for Ten from Geoff Dykes* (a highly regarded amateur RN Historian whose web info can rarely be faulted but with a style which is not easy on the eyeball...)

Heavy reading but this webpage, of Geoff's many, relates to the complicated and illogical nomenclature of Naval Parties and "HMS's" which the authorities sprinkled gaily among the occupying RN units as they expanded and grew like Topsy immediately following and for a long time Post VE day & beyond.

*Somewhere among the depth of detail can be found the what/when/who were? all those BOAR 'HMS Royal Whatevers'. Good Hunting!

==============================================================
PS Bottom of Geoffs page includes a Goering's Motor Yacht dit - especially for Norman :WINK:

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Deleted 97779

Guest
No link given but I presume @fortgang means " log on to this" = https://www.forcesreunited.co.uk/units/1261/hms-royal-charlotte ??


That link merely lists a few names of those who's RN service included time on the books of:
either HMS Royal Charlotte, which for a short time immediately post war was a small Cuxhaven based Launch or at what later became the name of the SIGINT shore base near Keil. OP would have to engage with that site if he wanted further information

The pdf file Posted at #8 states that the Coder Author, Dr MILLs, served at HMS ROYAL ALBERT, Cuxhaven (which at that time was both the name for a small launch and for the shorebased SIGINT stone frigate there) As a NS watchkeeper firstly between May & Oct 1954 when his NS finished & then back again as a RNVR Reservist in Apr '55.

His final annual RNVR cpmmitments were met in Apr 56 & Aug 57 but this time at HMS ROYAL CHARLOTTE, near Kiel, presumably on similar SIGINT shoreside watchkeeping duties.
One thing my wife and I cannot remember was the coloured material that Coders Ed and Sp wore alongside their ring(s) They stopped using colour designations in 1955--they were running out of colours with all the specialist branches starting up. My wife thinks it was pink but that was Wardmasters. Purply/pink I think.
 
Before my time but I believe Coders were a sub-section of the comms specialisations who were themselves part of the wider Seaman/Exec. hierarchy and as such undistinguished with any colourful separators to their rings/stripes.

@janner might know, being a communicator back in the day...
 

janner

MIA
Book Reviewer
I have no idea about Officers stripe designations but suspect, like Bob, that as a Sub Spec of Seamans Branch they would have been plain.
First ship was Brocklesby (old Hunt class destroyer/frigate) at Portland towards the end of 1960, we had two OD Coders (NS) posted to us, they must have been amongst the last NS people, both had been deferred as they had attended Uni. By then all crypto type stuff was done by Comms rates, these two wasted their lives as cooks of the mess, cleaners and tea wetters. I don't know how long they stayed onboard as I was posted before them.
 

wallace

Midshipman
Can anyone help please. I am researching a National Service man from 1949. After Royal Arthur became an SD3 as an Able Seaman. My immediate thought was Seaman Diver but family do not think he did anything like this. He remained an SD3 until release after 2 years plus. He did three short periods of recall over the next few years finishing in 1955 all as an SD3. One NS draft he had was Jupiter and an earlier post in this thread cleared that one up. Many thanks.
 

Waspie

War Hero
Can anyone help please. I am researching a National Service man from 1949. After Royal Arthur became an SD3 as an Able Seaman. My immediate thought was Seaman Diver but family do not think he did anything like this. He remained an SD3 until release after 2 years plus. He did three short periods of recall over the next few years finishing in 1955 all as an SD3. One NS draft he had was Jupiter and an earlier post in this thread cleared that one up. Many thanks.
You'd have more success starting a dedicated thread instead of piggy backing!!
 

Salty-Dog

Lantern Swinger
Can anyone help please. I am researching a National Service man from 1949. After Royal Arthur became an SD3 as an Able Seaman. My immediate thought was Seaman Diver but family do not think he did anything like this. He remained an SD3 until release after 2 years plus. He did three short periods of recall over the next few years finishing in 1955 all as an SD3. One NS draft he had was Jupiter and an earlier post in this thread cleared that one up. Many thanks.
Possibly a Submarine Detector 3rd Class.
 
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