Museums and Freedom of Information

#1
:?: Does anyone know why the Imperial Museum, National Army Museum and RAF Musem are all covered by the Freedom of Information Act, but the National Museum of the Royal Navy isn't? FOI list of organisations covered.

I fancy doing some research into my dececed Grandad's war history and won't be able to afford if it is not in FOI. My other Grandad was in the Amry and his regiment has a museum but they charge.
 
#2
Connie_Bonnie said:
:?: Does anyone know why the Imperial Museum, National Army Museum and RAF Musem are all covered by the Freedom of Information Act, but the National Museum of the Royal Navy isn't? FOI list of organisations covered.

I fancy doing some research into my dececed Grandad's war history and won't be able to afford if it is not in FOI. My other Grandad was in the Amry and his regiment has a museum but they charge.
You may well be able to obtain their service records direct from the RN and the Army - see here:

http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/A...cations/PersonnelPublications/ServiceRecords/

Print off and send a copy of the Next Of Kin form plus the RN Form # 2 to the Disclosure Cell at Whale Island.

Print off and send a copy of the Next Of Kin form plus the Army form # 2 to Kentigern House, Glasgow.
 
#4
Connie_Bonnie said:
:?: Does anyone know why the Imperial Museum, National Army Museum and RAF Musem are all covered by the Freedom of Information Act, but the National Museum of the Royal Navy isn't? FOI list of organisations covered.

I fancy doing some research into my dececed Grandad's war history and won't be able to afford if it is not in FOI. My other Grandad was in the Amry and his regiment has a museum but they charge.
The list you are consulting is out of date and was part of the website of the Department for Constitutional Affairs, which was replaced by the Department of Justice three years ago.

As it is, the "National Museum of the Royal Navy" is not a museum per se but rather an umbrella organisation which co-ordinates the work of the five elements which are actual museums:

Royal Marines Museum
Fleet Air Arm Museum
Submarine Museum
HMS Victory
Royal Naval Museum

The Royal Naval Museum itself is subject to the Freedom of Information Act 2000, as you can see here:

http://www.royalnavalmuseum.org/about_publications.htm
 
#5
Connie_Bonnie said:
:?: Does anyone know why the Imperial Museum, National Army Museum and RAF Musem are all covered by the Freedom of Information Act, but the National Museum of the Royal Navy isn't? FOI list of organisations covered.

I fancy doing some research into my deceased Grandad's war history and won't be able to afford if it is not in FOI. My other Grandad was in the Army and his regiment has a museum but they charge.
Several misunderstandings here. In the first place, the RN Museum is covered by the FOIA and explains its obligations here:

Publication Schedule
RN Museum website said:
Introduction
The Freedom of Information Act 2000, which is intended to increase access to government information, requires all public authorities to make information available proactively by virtue of the Publication Scheme provisions set out in Section 19 of the Act. The Royal Naval Museum’s scheme below gives details of the classes of information that the Museum will make available proactively, how they are accessible, and whether or not a charge will be made to make it available in hard-copy...(more)
In the second place, the FOIA does not prevent public organisations from making a charge commensurate with the resources expended on fulfilling a request:

Freedom of Information Act 2000

Office of Public Sector Information website said:
9 Fees

(1) A public authority to whom a request for information is made may, within the period for complying with section 1(1), give the applicant a notice in writing (in this Act referred to as a “fees noticeâ€) stating that a fee of an amount specified in the notice is to be charged by the authority for complying with section 1(1)...(more)
In the third place, the RN Museum is unlikely to hold any service records for your RN grandfather. They are held as follows:

Obtaining Royal Navy Service Records & Medals
RN website said:
1. Commissioned Officers

a. Commissioned officers who entered the service during, or before, 1924:

The National Archives Office,
Ruskin Avenue,
Kew,
Richmond,
Surrey TW9 4DU.

Telephone: 0208-876 3444.
Fax: 0208-878 8905.
Website: National Archives

b. Commissioned RN/RM officers who are currently serving, or who are retired, and service records from 1924 onwards.

DNPers
Disclosure Cell
MP G-2
Room 48
West Battery
Whale Island
Portsmouth
PO2 8DX

Telephone Nos. 02392 62 8667 / 8666 / 8671 /8670 / 8654

For further information on how to obtain these records, go to Making a request for Information held on the Personnel Records of Deceased Service Personnel.

2. Non-Commissioned Ranks

a. Non-commissioned ranks who enlisted into the service during, or before, 1924:


The National Archives Office (for address, see 1a, above).

b. Non-commissioned ranks who enlisted as Regular Service and National Servicemen, who are retired or currently serving, and service records from 1924 onwards:

DN Pers Disclosure Cell (for address, see 1b, above).

Telephone Nos. 02392 62 8667 / 8666 / 8671 / 8670 / 8654

For further information on how to obtain these records, go to Making a Request for Information held on the Personnel Records of Deceased Service Personnel.
I see that Soleil has explained this far more concisely in the meantime. :)
 
#6
I'ts not his service records I am looking for, but the records of his ships and what they did while he was serving on them. Also a couple of his shore/training establishments.

I accept I might be wrong, but as I read it, the plan is that the RN, Fleet Air Arm and RM Museums intend to join the National Museum of the RN this year. Well that's what they seemed ot be suggesting on local radio here in Pompey.

At the moment, you can ask the RN Museum for information under the FReedon of Info rules. But the new Museum isn't included on any of the lists pubished of organisation that are covered by the act.

I reckon the idea is to reduce the amount of requests for information they currently have to give for free. If the National Museum of the RN isn't covered, they'd have no requirement to respond at all for free or even respond at all
 
#7
CB

If you would like to tell us about his ships and shore establishments, we may be able to fill in the gaps for you. You would be amazed by the depth/breadth of knowledge on Rum Ration.
 
#8
Connie_Bonnie said:
I'ts not his service records I am looking for, but the records of his ships and what they did while he was serving on them. Also a couple of his shore/training establishments.

I accept I might be wrong, but as I read it, the plan is that the RN, Fleet Air Arm and RM Museums intend to join the National Museum of the RN this year. Well that's what they seemed ot be suggesting on local radio here in Pompey.

At the moment, you can ask the RN Museum for information under the FReedon of Info rules. But the new Museum isn't included on any of the lists pubished of organisation that are covered by the act.

I reckon the idea is to reduce the amount of requests for information they currently have to give for free. If the National Museum of the RN isn't covered, they'd have no requirement to respond at all for free or even respond at all
I'll do it for you.

"Thanks soleil and Naval_Gazer for your advice/help"
 

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