MPs keep the John Lewis list

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  1. MPs voted tonight to keep the "John Lewis list" this means they get £24,000 per year for a second house! Did your MP vote for it (Ayes) or against it (Nos) Check here: Hansard

    If he/she/it did vote for it let them know what you think of his/her/its money grabbing ways here: They Work for you
  2. Whatever happened to the ethos of "Public Service" ? Pigs at the trough, the lot of them. Wait until they knock at my door next time around, asking for my vote. HOROSCOPE TIME !!!!!!
  3. I would happily for go my provisional payrise of 2% if I could get even 2k towards the upkeep of my home,, I do not even have a second home

    All MP's MSP's and Councilors, are in it to line their own pockets and sod Jack Jill or anyone else

    Full of their own importance, and the sooner they all get a kicking and fall the better

    How anyone can rise from the scum of the street/town,to councilor with a four bedroomed house in the country owner with a BMW and eat out everynight, in eighteen months needs to be questioned

    Then you have MP's more John Lewis a year than general workers get paid in two years! and have to keep a home and family on it

    We need to scrub the lot and start again, with realistic figures, and if they do not want to do it someone else will

    Cue the ex chiefs and wish we had beens who would not get out of bed for less than £100k py

    We have all had a dip in the tank though, Those sorry but you have to go away from home on a course, here is an extra £100pw for expences, you will have to eat the best of steaks everynight in restaurants, and stay in a four star hotel, though you must not go over £13 a bottle on wine or pay the difference

    Only we only get that for the odd fortnight per decade not everyday

    It must be pure hell for them away from the fifty year old wife, and only the 25yr old want to get to the top secretary for company

    Jack McHammocklashing
  4. It's worse than you think Oberon.

    They have voted to retain their second homes allowance of up to £24K a year PLUS retaining the ACA. The so-called John Lewis list is thus retained in addition to their second homes allowance AND a 2.25% pay increase. They have voted for an additional £7.5K London Allowance, which is significantly greater than other public sector workers receive. More money will be paid to provide better MPs offices, paid for not out of the MP's ACA but by the taxpayer. They have rejected the independent auditing in favour of the current system whereby Parliamentary staff oversee their expenses. This has the advantage - for MPs - that the rules governing what can be gathered by whom is set by MPs themselves - as at present. This means that MPs can continue to claim they didn't know the rules in the full knowledge that their own employees cannot contradict them, whereas independent auditors could challenge them and under the now rejected proposals would have had far reaching powers.

    The scandal of misuse will thus arise again and further undermine the reputation of Parliament and raise unfair concerns about the probity of all MPs, not just the few who exploit the system.
  5. Maybe it's time the term 'Honourable' was removed from the palace of Westminster - or maybe prefixed with 'dis' ?


    Does anyone really think that this lot of self serving pollies will ever make themselves legally and/or morally accountable to the taxpayer ?

    My local MP (Labour - whom I did not vote for), is very adept at fudging the issue - do they take training courses in how to say lots, but actually very little ?

  6. janner

    janner War Hero Book Reviewer

    Simple solution to the second home in Londonistan, build one very large block of flats, furnish them and allocate one to each MP that doesn't live within easy commuting distance.
    Rent free and community charge paid, utility bills all in as part of the package.
  7. Center Point is empty - close enough to John Lewis !!

    Or the old ONS building in Pimlico, just three stops on the underground -Oops :oops: - I forgot, they don't mix with the natives do they ?

  8. Fxxxxxxxxxxg parisites the whole lot of them , pigs at the trough doesn't even come close . :pukel: :pukel: :pukel: :pukel:
  9. Once more our MPs have proved to be in Parliament for one purpose, money. They certainly do not represent their constituents. :pukel:
  10. What happened to all the Navy accomadation blocks in central London? They could use them if they are no longer used by the MOD. One for each party? God the Torys would be up to high jinx within a couple of weeks - keep me in a job taking their pictures as the leave with their boyfriends/girlfriends in the mornings!
  11. HAH!!! my bleeding MP wasn't even there!

  12. I'd rather they left in the mornings with boy/girlfriends than van loads of taxpayers dosh !!

    Grr !!
  13. I like the idea of a dedicated block of flats for them all.
    That would keep the costs down they could have a communal kitchen and shared bathroom etc and a tv room.

    Just like barracks,then they would see how the other half live.
  14. Just too tempting a target, mate!
  15. A comment from the only newspaper worthy of the name:

    BRITAIN'S long-awaited bloody revolution will begin at noon today, after MPs voted to keep their £24,000 second home allowance.

    Despite repeated warnings that a vote for the generous expenses package would lead to their certain deaths, 146 Labour MPs and 24 Tories backed the measure which will allow them to buy whatever they want with your money.

    Regional organisers say the first priority will be to put together a series of medium-sized lynch mobs to hunt down local MPs and drag them to the town square where they will be pelted with thousands of £1 coins.

    One group in the North East plans to tie its MP to a chair and then take the 42-inch plasma screen television he bought with public money and drop it on his head from a large crane.

    Meanwhile those cabinet ministers, already on a basic salary of £138,000, who voted for the second home allowance, are expected to be paraded on the back of a cart to Regent's Park Zoo and then thrown to the polar bears.

    Bill McKay, a regional organiser from Lincolnshire, said: "In the midst of rising household bills, looming recession and job losses, the only reasonable response to this kind of thing is ravenous bears."

    He added: "Of course, once we've despatched the MPs we will then need to form a provisional government held to account by some sort of democratically elected chamber.

    "It will be a demanding job, involving lots of time away from home, so a large, unaccountable expenses package will probably be necessary.

    "Personally, I'd quite like a flat in Bayswater with granite worktops and a power shower."
  16. Perhaps we could still have some poetic justice if MPs were required to claim all these expenses through JPA.
  17. Here is the list of government misisters who voted to keep their snout in the trough:

    Is your MP on the list?

    remember a minister is paid more than an MP

    Ministers who backed expenses system
    The government ministers who voted in favour of keeping the additional costs allowance for second homes, worth up to £24,000 a year, were:
    Liz Blackman

    Bob Blizzard

    Nick Brown

    Andy Burnham

    Alan Campbell

    Tony Cunningham

    Angela Eagle

    Maria Eagle

    Caroline Flint

    Michael Foster

    Beverley Hughes

    Tessa Jowell

    Thomas McAvoy

    Steve McCabe

    Siobhain McDonagh

    Tony McNulty

    Gillian Merron

    Mike O'Brien

    James Plaskitt

    Bridget Prentice

    Jacqui Smith

    Gerry Sutcliffe

    Mark Tami

    Gareth Thomas

    Derek Twigg

    Kitty Ussher

    Claire Ward

    Dave Watts

    Tom Watson

    Dave Watts

    Rosie Winterton

    Shaun Woodward

    Iain Wright

    The complete list may be found here:

    Is your MP on the roll of shame?
    The vast majority of MPs - 146 of the 172 - who voted to keep the second home allowance, which allows MPs to buy items on the "John Lewis list", were Labour, including 33 ministers. The list in full is:

    Labour: Nick Ainger (Carmarthen West & Pembrokeshire South), Graham Allen (Nottingham North), David Anderson (Blaydon), Janet Anderson (Rossendale & Darwen), Ian Austin (Dudley North), Adrian Bailey (West Bromwich West), Gordon Banks (Ochil & Perthshire South), Kevin Barron (Rother Valley), Margaret Beckett (Derby South), Clive Betts (Sheffield Attercliffe), Liz Blackman (Erewash), Roberta Blackman-Woods (Durham, City of), Bob Blizzard (Waveney), David Borrow (Ribble South (South Ribble)), Nick Brown (Newcastle upon Tyne East & Wallsend), Richard Burden (Birmingham Northfield), Colin Burgon (Elmet), Andy Burnham (Leigh), Stephen Byers (Tyneside North), Alan Campbell (Tynemouth), Ronnie Campbell (Blyth Valley), Ben Chapman (Wirral South), David Chaytor (Bury North), Tom Clarke (Coatbridge, Chryston & Bellshill), David Clelland (Tyne Bridge), Ann Clwyd (Cynon Valley), Ann Coffey (Stockport), Harry Cohen (Leyton & Wanstead), Michael Connarty (Linlithgow & Falkirk East), Rosie Cooper (Lancashire West), Ann Cryer (Keighley), John Cummings (Easington), Jim Cunningham (Coventry South), Tony Cunningham (Workington), Wayne David (Caerphilly), Ian Davidson (Glasgow South West), Janet Dean (Burton), Frank Dobson (Holborn & St Pancras), Brian Donohoe (Ayrshire Central), Jim Dowd (Lewisham West), Angela Eagle (Wallasey), Maria Eagle (Liverpool Garston), Jeff Ennis (Barnsley East & Mexborough), Bill Etherington (Sunderland North), Caroline Flint (Don Valley), Paul Flynn (Newport West), Michael Foster (Worcester), Michael Jabez Foster (Hastings & Rye), Mike Gapes (Ilford South), Dr Ian Gibson (Norwich North), Linda Gilroy (Plymouth Sutton), Nia Griffith (Llanelli), Andrew Gwynne (Denton & Reddish), Mike Hall (Weaver Vale), David Hamilton (Midlothian), Dai Havard (Merthyr Tydfil & Rhymney), Stephen Hesford (Wirral West), Sharon Hodgson (Gateshead East & Washington West), Jimmy Hood (Lanark & Hamilton East), George Howarth (Knowsley North & Sefton East), Beverley Hughes (Stretford & Urmston), Joan Humble (Blackpool North & Fleetwood), Dr Brian Iddon (Bolton South East), Eric Illsley (Barnsley Central), Adam Ingram (East Kilbride, Strathaven & Lesmahagow), Brian Jenkins (Tamworth), Diana Johnson (Hull North), Kevan Jones (Durham North), Martyn Jones (Clwyd South), Tessa Jowell (Dulwich & West Norwood), Eric Joyce (Falkirk), Alan Keen (Feltham & Heston), David Kidney (Stafford), Peter Kilfoyle (Liverpool Walton), Bob Laxton (Derby North), Tom Levitt (High Peak), Ivan Lewis (Bury South), Tony Lloyd (Manchester Central), Ian Lucas (Wrexham), Tommy McAvoy (Rutherglen & Hamilton West), Stephen McCabe (Birmingham Hall Green), Christine McCafferty (Calder Valley), Kerry McCarthy (Bristol East), Sarah McCarthy-Fry (Portsmouth North), Siobhain McDonagh (Mitcham & Morden), James McGovern (Dundee West), Anne McGuire (Stirling), Shona McIsaac (Cleethorpes), Rosemary McKenna (Cumbernauld, Kilsyth & Kirkintilloch East), Tony McNulty (Harrow East), Denis MacShane (Rotherham), Khalid Mahmood (Birmingham Perry Barr), Rob Marris (Wolverhampton South West), Gordon Marsden (Blackpool South), Alan Meale (Mansfield), Gillian Merron (Lincoln), Andrew Miller (Ellesmere Port & Neston), Madeleine Moon (Bridgend), Jessica Morden (Newport East), Elliot Morley (Scunthorpe), George Mudie (Leeds East), Denis Murphy (Wansbeck), Paul Murphy (Torfaen), Mike O’Brien (Warwickshire North), Eddie O’Hara (Knowsley South), Sandra Osborne (Ayr, Carrick & Cumnock), James Plaskitt (Warwick & Leamington), Bridget Prentice (Lewisham East), Gordon Prentice (Pendle), Gwyn Prosser (Dover), Ken Purchase (Wolverhampton North East), Nick Raynsford (Greenwich & Woolwich), John Robertson (Glasgow North West), Terry Rooney (Bradford North), Chris Ruane (Vale of Clwyd), Christine Russell (Chester, City of), Alison Seabeck (Plymouth Devonport), Barry Sheerman (Huddersfield), Jimmy Sheridan (Paisley & Renfrewshire North), Angela C Smith (Sheffield Hillsborough), Angela E Smith (Basildon), Jacqui Smith (Redditch), Anne Snelgrove (Swindon South), John Spellar (Warley), Phyllis Starkey (Milton Keynes South West), Gavin Strang (Edinburgh East), Gisela Stuart (Birmingham Edgbaston), Gerry Sutcliffe (Bradford South), Mark Tami (Alyn & Deeside), Gareth Thomas (Harrow West), Emily Thornberry (Islington South & Finsbury), Don Touhig (Islwyn), Derek Twigg (Halton), Kitty Ussher (Burnley), Keith Vaz (Leicester East), Lynda Waltho (Stourbridge), Claire Ward (Watford), Tom Watson (West Bromwich East), Dave Watts (St Helens North), Phil Wilson (Sedgefield), Rosie Winterton (Doncaster Central), Shaun Woodward (St Helens South), Phil Woolas (Oldham East & Saddleworth), David Wright (Telford), Iain Wright (Hartlepool), Derek Wyatt (Sittingbourne & Sheppey)

    Conservative: David Amess (Southend West), James Arbuthnot (Hampshire North East), Henry Bellingham (Norfolk North West), Brian Binley (Northampton South), Sir John Butterfill (Bournemouth West), Christopher Chope (Christchurch), John Greenway (Ryedale), Gerald Howarth (Aldershot), Bernard Jenkin (Essex North), Julie Kirkbride (Bromsgrove), Eleanor Laing (Epping Forest), Anne McIntosh (Vale of York), Andrew Mackay (Bracknell), Andrew Rosindell (Romford), Hugo Swire (Devon East), Sir Peter Tapsell (Louth & Horncastle), Angela Watkinson (Upminster), Ann Widdecombe (Maidstone & The Weald), David Wilshire (Spelthorne), Lady Ann Winterton (Congleton), Sir Nicholas Winterton (Macclesfield)

    Independent: Dai Davies (Blaenau Gwent), Robert Wareing (Liverpool West Derby).

    Voted in both lobbies (votes discounted) Labour’s Barbara Follett (Stevenage) and Sir Peter Soulsby (Leicester South) and Ukip’s Bob Spink (Castle Point).
  18. Janner, this proposal was looked at but rejected on grounds of initial cost. It is buried somewhere in chapter 7 of HC Paper 578i, 2007-08 session, which can be accessed at:

  19. Perhaps it should be looked at again in the light of the electorate now being made more aware of the huge expenses being claimed by the politicians. Initial cost is one thing long term costs is different and would probably be cheaper in the long term.
  20. I fully understand the need for those MPs whose constituencies are more than 50 miles from Westminster to be provided with accommodation in London. But why are they left to finance and furnish their accommodation themselves. Why not adopt the SSSA/FIA system used by MoD military personnel who find themselves in exactly the same situation. It meets their needs, removes the perception of fraud/greed and saves their valuable time for doing that for which they are paid - representing our interests.

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