Discussion in 'Diamond Lil's' started by slim, Jun 26, 2007.

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  1. This is still on the agenda for Red Ken's vision of a 'carfree' London...!!
    He's probably advising them, along with his highly paid cronies, from his fiefdom in City Hall on how to con the public and use the funds to overpay more cronies....!!!
  2. I would be worrying, you copy all our good ideas, just look at the smoking ban.
  3. God, think of the cost of a 15 week Bomber patrol car parking fees in Clyde Naval Base when parking fees are standard across Scotland. Even at £5 per day that will be £525 + the £131 or 20% income tax you have already paid on the money.

    Go for it Scotland.

    Cost of the privilege to defend your Country £656

    We are back to lunatics and asylums me thinks.


    PS Of course you could leave your car outside the base at the peace camp for free and the residents will keep an eye on it for you.
  4. If you are very lucky some one will drive it around for you too to keep everything in working order
  5. janner

    janner War Hero Book Reviewer

    I suspect that this could be the tip of the Iceburg, they've been throwing money around since home rule, it must shortly come to the stage that they realise that the books have to balance, so its either cap in hand to Whitehall, which will hopefully be greeted with a big no, or raise taxes locally.
  6. Strangely enough that is not the driving force, as far as I can see it is as much because the council managers salary is related to their budget, and if the official can increase the size of his budget by getting a new 'tax' then his pay/pension goes up and he can also apply for even higher paid posts.

    The cash raised by this universal parking charge will stay within council budgets.
  7. wet_blobby

    wet_blobby War Hero Moderator

    Anyone care to bet against the Scottish MP's and council hierachy exempting themselves from paying the charges?
  8. How will they cover the possible job losses when companies begin moving to other Countries to avoid the extra tax ??
  9. I think the risk of that is limited as England usually copies our good ideas.
  10. Scotland is a socilaist shiitehole… I hope the place turns into the turd world shiitehole it seems to want to become.
  11. Thank you for your kind words.
  12. I wouldn't worry about Faslane...if the work-time directive doesn't apply to the Mob, why should this?
  13. He's got a point, I had this discussion last week. Despite having a lot of affection for my homeland, there is no way I'd move back there any more, the current Edinburgh parish council is far to fond of spending their taxpayers equity on assuring themselves votes.

    The need to fund their largesse has been apparent for some time, it's only a matter of time until they start exploiting the additional taxation opportunity they have.

    And tbh predicating all of the independence arguments on North Sea oil is short sighted and naive.
  14. England may do but I dont see India or China copying such a dumb idea as this do you ?
  15. What makes our parish council any different to any other, they all play the vote for me and I'll give you cash, worked well for Labour up here too, they have lost control almost everywhere.

    I spent a fair amount of my time in the Andrew in Englands green and pleasant land, plus another 10 years for good behaviour, and there is no way you will get me to move south again.

    Yes our lot have different priorities, but many of them are in my opinion decent choices, free personal care for the elderly, less costly university education, free bus travel for pensioners, at least trying to make NHS dentistry available to all, and yes they have to balance their budget too on the basis of a set ammount of cash from Gordon or who ever he appoints to do the job for him. Our 'parish council' has no greater proportion of the national purse to spend than Maggie managed to mispend up here, we just divvie it up differently and so far we do seem to be lacking nothing we had before, and still manage to get some extras. No you will not find me venuring south again.
  16. In Cardiff the council have been carrying out an audit of all off road car parking spaces in places of work. The rumour is that any places that have more than 10 spaces will have to pay fees equivalant to the local authority on road parking charges.
  17. Looking at it from the outside, whilst there does appear to be a lot of investment in customer facing expenditure there does not appear to be significant investment in modernising the economic infrastructure or systems which will allow the economy to be sustainable in the long term. That's not peculiar to Edinburgh, but given the limited economic diversity it does make Scotland very vulnerable should independence actually happen.

    Many of the firms in Scotland would find it quite easy to move elsewhere should costs rise, either by physically moving landfall points or by moving people. Those services which might remain tend to be low margin.

    There is also the risk that likely economic policies will disincentivise entrepreneurial initiative, which does tend to lead towards further economic stagnation. I am conscious, however, that this is a philosophical point on which we've disagreed before.

    Just because it was mis-spent in the Thatcher era doesn't justify economic naivety now.

    I'm just not convince that the present direction is sustainable. There appears to be an eye on the Celtic Tiger phenomenon in the Republic, but that's brought with it a reduction in social liberalism, rather than the increase which Edinburgh is advocating.
  18. Whilst it is true that many of the screwdrive/call center type jobs could be easily moved (something that applies as much to England) in many other areas the work is dependant on a skilled local workforce that is not that easily moved or exported. The place I work for example has aroun 1000 graduate engineers some with 30+ years experience, one cannot move that without some substanial medium term impact on business and we are in many ways not unique. Many companies are not here because the labour is cheap, but because it is good value. Minor changes to the cost of doing business will not impact on that. As for government sponsored development of business this has changed focus over the years and is much more fucused on a variety of smaller high tecnology threads, looking very much at emerging technologies that cannot be replicated yet in China or India. Of course they could do more but Scotland is not that bad a place for the entrepreneur operating in the high tech arena. Time will tell but the new administration is not quite so set in the old labour 'profit is exploitation' mould.

    The problem with the 'Celtic Tiger' strategy is that it is very much based on the provision of labour at low unit costs, I do feel for the future as there are many places can now offer the low unit cost labour lies in offering high value for money labour. The result is the imaging chip in your mobile phone is made where labour/land/taxes are lowest but it is designed in Scotland, just as your Playstation game is made anywhere, but designed in Scotland.
  19. That's the kind of thing I was thinking could easily stay, it's low margin but carries quite high establishment costs. Because the workforce is reasonably cheap they're quite insensitive to the tax regime.

    What I was thinking about was the high skill, but low overhead type work which you also outline. The sort of chip, or software, design you identify is location independent and does need a high quality, well educated, workforce. Personnel in this segment can easily be highly mobile and are more price sensitive to the cost of where they are.

    Of course the general cost of living is much lower which does mitigate against a move south for these industries and their people.

    That's where I see quite a high risk, a lot of the what appears in the business media does suggest an appetite for increasing the cost of doing business. There appear to be ideas, if not initiatives which will increase costs to firms and increase personal costs for moderate to high earners. That is likely to increase manpower costs, and potentially reduce value.

    I'm personally a big advocate of globalisation, but we have to be aware of the risks. The big offshoring destinations are actively seeking to move themselves along the value chain, and if Edinburgh create a less attractive environment then there is a risk of losing the industry which depends on good value people.

    Indeed, when I lived in Scotland the SNP were very much Tory-lite, what I'm seeing now in the media is a shift towards a more populist and increasingly socialist approach.

    I'd agree. I read something recently, probably in the Economist, suggesting that the accession of the former communist states to the EU had resulted in a noticeable reduction in investment into the Republic, as the economy had improved the labour force was no longer competitive.

    With all that in mind I did consider, last year, buying a place in Scotland. I'm originally West Coast but would probably have considered more central or eastern, then week commuted as required. The main reason not to is the the economic risk (and the weather).

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