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Most active branch in the RNR

Rich1

Midshipman
I put a post up about Sub ops but what I was wondering which is the most active, most up front branch in the RNR? Which has the most sea time opportunity and/or most active position.
 

icantfly

Lantern Swinger
instinct said:
Above Water Force Protection is in my oppinion.

Not anymore. They're back to being Seaman(Res) again..

Speaking as an ex-Loggie, aren't they the only remaining (active) branch? :)
 

Karma

War Hero
Rich1 said:
I put a post up about Sub ops but what I was wondering which is the most active, most up front branch in the RNR? Which has the most sea time opportunity and/or most active position.

I think you're issues are more about getting in and getting through basic. When you join the RNR you don't join a specific branch, you join the RNR then at the end of basic training you apply for branches, which may or may not accept you based on their requirements and potentially your skillset. During your basic training you'll get an appreciation of what each branch does, and that will let you make a more informed decision.

That said, it is worth understanding the basic constraints around the branches and specialisations. There is little point in joining as an officer if one of the branches that you're interested in doesn't want, or need, any more officers.

It's also worth highlighting that Officers and Ratings do different jobs, and if you're after sea time then Seaman rating is probably the way to go.
 

Rich1

Midshipman
Fair enought Karma, thanks for your post. I'll focus on getting in and getting through the training and then use that period to decide what it is that I'd want to do branch wise when done.
 

icantfly

Lantern Swinger
Rich1 said:
Fair enought Karma, thanks for your post. I'll focus on getting in and getting through the training and then use that period to decide what it is that I'd want to do branch wise when done.

Decide? Whatever makes you think you'll be given a choice??

You'll go where you're told to, depending on what branch has spaces.. This isn't the boy scouts.
 

trehorn

War Hero
Easy Tiger!!!!

Jesus thats a way to get new recruits through the door!!!!!

From what i have seen over the years there should be a choice in the branches you can join. I'm not aware of anyone being told which branch they will be in.

Granted, some people are sometimes ushered in a certain direction but i don't know of anyone who's been given an ultimatum. "There's your branch, take it or leave it"?
 

FlagWagger

GCM
Book Reviewer
trehorn said:
Easy Tiger!!!!

Jesus thats a way to get new recruits through the door!!!!!

From what i have seen over the years there should be a choice in the branches you can join. I'm not aware of anyone being told which branch they will be in.

Back in 1984 when I joined, HMS Forward was still a CTC - having an engineering and electronics background (and being extremely naiive) I really wanted to be a sparker (see, I told you I was naiive) however, the powers-that-be decreed that my new-entry class were all to be Tactical ratings - after a very short space of time, and having grown up and matured at sea, I was thankful for not having had a choice in my branch selection!

In more recent times, the practice in some units is that every branch has the opportunity to present a sales-pitch to the NE classes to allow them to indicate their preferences - these preferences are then taken into account alongside the requirements of the branches when the allocations are made.
 

Uncle_Albert

War Hero
I keep hearing persistent rumours that all NE will go Sea(res) on completion of Raleigh, and after a suitable holiday somewhere holding a rifle and dressed like a soldier, they will get the chance to do something else.

Disclaimer: All I hear are persistent rumours. Anyone with a gen dit is welcome to correct me.
 

trehorn

War Hero
I'm an active member of the recruitment team and i have been told (by unofficial sources) that all New Entries are to spend 5 years in Warfare Seaman branch before being allowed a branch change.

Seems a bloody stupid idea to me but I'm trying to find out the gen dit on this.
 

instinct

Lantern Swinger
trehorn said:
I'm an active member of the recruitment team and i have been told (by unofficial sources) that all New Entries are to spend 5 years in Warfare Seaman branch before being allowed a branch change.

Seems a bloody stupid idea to me but I'm trying to find out the gen dit on this.

I was told 2 years untill you can change and some units up north are already doing it or about to start doing it.
 

Karma

War Hero
Uncle_Albert said:
All I hear are persistent rumours.

I understand from a reliable, informed, source that this is not the case, at least not at a corporate level. It's not out of the question that some units are doing it at a local level.
 

SO2Seaman

Lantern Swinger
As these rumours have (or could have) an impact on the branch that I'm OiC of, I will chase them down and try to give an official answer. Please bear with me, as rumours can have a negative effect.
I've picked up the ball, and will attempt to run with it.

SO2Seaman
 

Mago0

Newbie
The most active branch is definitely Seaman Specialist or AWFP or whatever it will be called next month, I was told a while ago that this was because of the amount of RM tied up in Afghan meant there was a general shortage of FP personnel, I don't know how true that is but I do know the RNR is crying out for more AWFP folk.

I've been sitting in with a reserves unit for nearly a year in an attempt to get as much training as possible before I join up full time. Much of that time I've been sat in with a new entries class and they were told that unless they could 'significantly contribute' to another branch (if they already had diving qualifications for example) then they would all be going AWFP. I don't know if this would be considered 'forcing' or 'ushering' into a branch as nobody had any objections to it, they all wanted to get deployed so they all went with it.

As has been said before though the primary aim the RNR has for its new entries is to get them through Raleigh. Branch specialisations are sorted afterwards and if someone was determined enough I'm sure they could get themselves a transfer into MTO or logs, however diving and Intel are different animals.

If people are only given Seaman(Res) as an option it would not suprise me, that is where the manpower shortage is so it makes sense to pour as many people as possible into that rather than having a reserve unit full of MTO and loggies doing nothing.

Anyhoo, best bet as always is to get down to your AFCO, or find your local unit here, give them a ring and speak to the unit's recruitment officer
 

SO2Seaman

Lantern Swinger
I have checked with the centre, there are currently NO PLANS to push all NEs (or future NEs) into the Sea(Res) Branch. However, there is staff work in progress to ensure all of our people are better prepared/trained in weapon handling, irespective of branch.
That is it, chapter and verse. If anyone wishes to discuss this further please PM me or email me on a more secure net. I woud like to keep further discussion on this topic out of the public forum.
However, what I have stated above, I hope, will quash any rumours.
Thank you for your understanding
SO2Seaman
 

Uncle_Albert

War Hero
However, there is staff work in progress to ensure all of our people are better prepared/trained in weapon handling, irrespective of branch.

Well that's a shame. Given my branch, I was rather enjoying being the kind of armed force that wasn't actually armed!
 

Six_and_a_Half

Lantern Swinger
I think that the MTO is probably one of the most active branches, but most of the 'deployments' are usually down in the hole that is JSU Northwood, or most certainly UK-based. Although there is usually a chance to go to Dubai every so often.
 

hookyh

Lantern Swinger
I think there's a certain amount of scaremongering going on here. I'm SEARES and would recommend it heartily to anyone who wants an active military role within the RNR, however i fully appreciate that not everyone wants to carry a gun for a living, indeed some are deeply uncomfortable at the idea.

As a heads-up the way things are going seems to be that everyone will now get basic weapons training as part of their Raleigh course, indeed i believe this may have already begun as a basic introduction to a more military way of doing things. My understanding isn't that things are rigid after basic training in terms of branch choice, although as others have said requirements at the time immediately after you pass out will dictate your choices. In this respect nothing has changed for years and is entirely the same as the RN. It stands to reason that you will only have choices that currently have vacancies. (You can't go to a civvy employer and tell them you want to be the managing director and expect to be in that job the next week - not the ideal analogy i know, but it serves it's purpose!).

As a SEARES rating with many years experience i can see that with current deployments it is an absolute must that people be able to competently carry a weapon (we are after all a military organisation). The prime example of this would be logs branch folk who are often deployed on the ground in various hot, sandy places, who while not 'blanket stacking' (joke) may be required to do sentry duty, convoy security etc......

Not sure, but this may not be as true of say comms branch etc. but who knows what the future will bring. We all need to be flexible to a degree and whilst it may not be something we do on a daily basis, we may all from time to time be required to carry a weapon in the course of duty.

As i said before, bear in mind first and foremost that you are joining a military organisation and be mindful of the fact that with that comes responsibility of various kinds.

P.S. I'm not directing this particularly at the originator of this post, but as a general note to anyone thinking of joining.

Good luck and have a great career. It's what you make of it!
 
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