The one thing that surprises me is that they weren't English - things must be bad is non English people are being discriminated against now. :roll:higthepig said:Dont go there shakey, dont you know its an offence to be christian and straight, if youre not a Muslin or Gay your a perv.
While not disagreeing with you, one question that perhaps ought to be asked is whether its normal for the Fire Service to attend such rallies or whether their attendance on that day was a PC / political gesture. Does, for example, the London Fire Brigade attend all rallies in London such as those organised by the Countryside Alliance?SILVER_FOX said:In my book, if you sign on to do a job you do the whole job for the people you are paid to provide that service to. If you're not prepared to do that - you should bugger off and find an alternative career (outside the public sector). These leaflets related to safety advice. It's not up to them to decide who gets and who does not. Taxpayers come from all sections of society and as far as I am aware, gays donâ€™t have an exemption so the firemen deserve to be penalised for their prehistoric attitudes.
I don't have a lot of time for firemen; theyâ€™re a bunch of spoilt overpaid sods [trying to keep my language right] who really donâ€™t know how well off they are.
No steve it wouldn't be acceptable, but the way things are going in our country with the government pandering to the minorities, whether this be on religious, ethnic or sexual grounds and sod everyone else here, then i fear the day we see the scenario you refer to, or a variation of it is not that far away.Always_a_Civvy said:So imagine how you would feel if the firemen had refused to hand out fire safety leaflets to you because you were white and they were black? Would THAT be acceptable?
There is dispute over this. The Catholic Church is taking the position, and seeking to contest the judgment on human rights grounds, on the basis that this inflinged their right not to be offended by people who offended their religious sensibilities and the church suggested that the participants might molest the firemen. They also suggested that the fireman's participation was political on the grounds that they had not been required to attend the Orange Order's march. I thought the Orange Order was religious? Their argument is therefore that the Fire Chiefs wanted volunteers to attend the parade and hand out fire safety leaflets to show that the Fire Brigade were tolerant towards gays. Nobody volunteered, so some of the men were ordered to attend. The question is whether a Gay Pride march is political or getting together to feel solidarity - which is what it's all about. The Catholic Church is highly political these days. Would Archbishop Conti take a similar stance if, say, MPs refused to hand out information to Catholic constituents on the basis that our highly politicised religion meant doing so might be seen as promoting Roman Catholicm or unsavory aspects of "Catholic Practice"? (I'm being ironic here, just like the Church often is about gays!)FlagWagger said:While not disagreeing with you, one question that perhaps ought to be asked is whether its normal for the Fire Service to attend such rallies or whether their attendance on that day was a PC / political gesture. Does, for example, the London Fire Brigade attend all rallies in London such as those organised by the Countryside Alliance?
If the Fire Service attendance could be seen as a political statement then the firemen concerned have a similar right of expression. We don't have the complete story from the reports in the public domain, so any "judgements" that we make are incomplete and fit only those "facts" available.
It will happen Mazza_Magoo if we allow the kind of selective discrimination we are already allowing religious groups to practice against those they dislike. What Britain needs is a comprehensive anti-discrimination law prohibiting ALL forms of discrimination and allowing NO opt-outs by ANY group! Gays have been arguing this for years but to no avail - politically it's more divisive to have affirmative protection for some and not for others - divide and rule!mazza_magoo said:No steve it wouldn't be acceptable, but the way things are going in our country with the government pandering to the minorities, whether this be on religious, ethnic or sexual grounds and sod everyone else here, then i fear the day we see the scenario you refer to, or a variation of it is not that far away.Always_a_Civvy said:So imagine how you would feel if the firemen had refused to hand out fire safety leaflets to you because you were white and they were black? Would THAT be acceptable?
Dunkers, the reason for the parades is historical. It goes back to the times when gays were hidden from public view and we were very much underground. Before the AIDS pandemic, despite the partial decriminalisation of homosexuality, there was still widespread discrimination. In my first job with the then DHSS (in 1983) I was specifically warned that homosexuality was forbidden (as if it were chosen behaviour!) and that it was punishable by dismissal and loss of all pension rights! One of my colleagues was so disciplined during my time there!dunkers said:This is a serious question: Why do some members of the homosexual community find it necessary to parade through the streets in celebration of their sexuality? There are no "straight parades" of people celebrating heterosexuality, so why does the opposite scenario exist? In fact, it is not beyond the realms of the imagination that a "straight parade" might be taken as an incitement of hatred against gays in the same manner that Orange parades can be taken as an incitement of hatred against Catholics.
I say again: there is no alterior motive or malice behind this question, it is just idle curiosity.
The elderly couple who wanted to put Christian antigay leaflets in their local library should have been entitled to just so long as an athiest could distribute anti-Christian leaflets without being prosecuted - however these days you cannot do this either! :xhigthepig said:Its not the gay parades which grip me, its the idea that they are right, the gays can say what they like and nobody dare object. An elderly couple being interrogated by the police for wanting to distribute leaflets, firemen being sent on courses so they can "understand Gays", Gentlemen we are indeed going to hell in a handcart, The people that need to be outed are the PC brigade, anybody know any faces as to who they are? the average British citizen in this country can say nothing without fear of being persecuted, Rum Ration will be next because the majority of opinions on here must horrify those who are PC.
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