More Pay and also more Submarine pay!

Discussion in 'Submariners' started by willmuse, Aug 17, 2007.

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  1. yehh but the they have also decided to take our fecken LSSB, which for me was alot, as i have not had a shore draft in 17 years, then the poxy government , hike tax hear and there, so as always i am worse off , feck em
     
  2. Will - RN pay increases annually in line with / slightly above inflation.
     
  3. Oh yeh, sorry guys forgot about inflation etc


    What's "LSSB"???
     
  4. sgtpepperband

    sgtpepperband War Hero Moderator Book Reviewer

    Don't worry about it - you won't be getting any! Basically it was extra pay earned, based on time done at sea. The more time you did, the more money you got. The best thing about it was that you earned it on board a ship/SM regardless of whether it was deployed or not, i.e. the moment you joined the ship/SM to the day you left, you earned it.

    Now we get LSSA (like the Army and RAF) but unfortunately you only earn the money when deployed away from the wall after a certain amount of days (??), so if you are day running, or doing OST (at sea Mon-Fri, but alongside at weekends) you don't get it. Another perk taken away by the bean counters... :roll:
     
  5. LSSA is paid after your ship/boat has been away from the wall for a period of 10 days or more (its then backdated to day 1). Its more than what LSSB was but that was paid all of the time on ship/boat even when alongside the wall or in dry dock! The bean counters are the only winners!
     
  6. As I also understand it even when posted to a sea going deployment submariners are now worse off because they now pay accomodation charges and PAYE costs as soon as they get along side where as when deployed to surface unit, unless you are RA in your home port you do not have to pay accomodation or PAYE costs.

    Bomber Queen who does two patrols in a a 12 month deployment will pay six to seven months Accomodation and PAYE charges which will eat into your submarine pay. Yet a surface sailor who spends seven out of 12 months tied up along side in Guzz gets his accomodation and food for free.

    That is if I got the gist of the last posting on this subject correct.

    Nutty
     
  7. I remember when submarine pay was classified as "danger money" and therefore tax free. All of a sudden it became known as "Specialist pay" and was taxable!
     
  8. sgtpepperband

    sgtpepperband War Hero Moderator Book Reviewer

    Hmm as a Skimmer, I remember asking Crabmariners if it was called 'danger money' how come you get it when you're not actually serving on a boat at the time? And they argued that it was 'Knowledge Pay', and they kept their money regardless of where they were serving...

    ...also I believe that SM pay is now pensionable, so a PO(SM) will get more when he leaves the Mob than a PO(GS)? Anyone confirm or deny this?
     
  9. Don`t think so SGT, my son is a Chief Tiff on bombers and he has`nt heard of it, could be wrong though as he has remained on the old pension scheme.
     
  10. Unfortunately it's not true. SM pay doesn't count towards your pension. Doesn't matter if you transfered to the new pension scheme or not.
     
  11. Always did pay accom charges when at sea. A few went RA at a convenient address a couple of weeks before going to sea to avoid it and left their gear in the bagage store . Didn`t think it worth the hasle my self.
     
  12. VM submariners never have paid accom charges whilst at sea. Well not in the last decade or so, unless the MOR was not raised. However maybe eons ago you did.

    Hard lying pay, Knowledge pay, Danger Pay, and now retention pay, submarine pay is altered for the greater cause every 5 years by the look of it. What makes me laugh is that a person who has served say 29 years who enters his notice loses half of his submarine pay because the "retention pay" did not work lol!

    I have seen a few papers versus loss of LSSB v LSA/ACCOM charges +- hard lying pay (or whatever skimmers are supposed to get for being onboard alongside in acres of personal space lol). And the divide has definatly been closed.

    The carrot is no longer there, and I am sure this will be reflected in retention/recruitment.

    Time will tell, hey they can always through bags of FRI's at us in a couple of years!
     

  13. It won't add to your RN pension but possibly if you are contributing to the SERP scheme [earnings related ] then at the OAP time you may get an increased 'additional pension ' to add to your OAP.




    :nemo: :nemo:
     
  14. 1. Unlike our Army or Airforce brethren the RN dont wait the 10 day qualifying period and get it from day one (a days lssa for every night spent away from base port)

    2. Because it is for being deployed from base port, a skimmer can get LSSA for being tied up alongside in any port apart from their base port. S if they are a Guzz based boat and pull in to Faslane for a jolly (ho, ho) then they will still get LSSA.

    3. There is a review of S/M pay ongoing and the results should come out with the next AFRB pay review. We are sure that something should be done to aid retention and encourage recruiting into the SM service but a big hike in SM pay can only kick start a drastically needed change to the way we use and abuse our lads (not just the youngsters).

    The more we find ourselves piching off Paul to pay Peter with manpower, the more dis-alusioned the lads get and no ammount of retention pay will stop the guys saying goodbye. I still have not seen any advertising for the Navy to employ Submariners, its always some Jenny on a gun in the med saying the, "The Team Works", well I,m sorry love but you play for a different team to us. The boats cant do anything about raising the profile of the service because they have had the travel budgets slashed so if they had the manpower willing to go to their adopted towns they dont have the money to send them, and if you did, the lads would talk anyone interested in joining the SM service out of it and tell them to join the RAF (who have more personell to each plane than we do to each ship)

    Rant over, what are we going to do????????
     
  15. Got to agree with theoldti on this one. In all the years i have served morale and retension is at an all time low, why put up with the pay, conditions and manning problems when theres jobs outside that pay more without all the hassle....romft
     
  16. So I am making a big mistake joining up now? ;)
     
  17. No,Matelots have always whinged about pay etc infact,they whinge about anything & everything you can think of.Go ahead & join up,I'm assuning your' a young guy,it's a great life,you'll experience things & enjoy a comradeship that you will never experience as a civvy. As for ROMFT & jobs outside paying more with less hassle.Those jobs generally are not as fulfilling as the pusser,oh & they don't give anything like the leave you'll get in the Navy.Good luck
     
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    The more we find ourselves piching off Paul to pay Peter with manpower, the more dis-alusioned the lads get and no ammount of retention pay will stop the guys saying goodbye. I still have not seen any advertising for the Navy to employ Submariners, its always some Jenny on a gun in the med saying the, "The Team Works", well I,m sorry love but you play for a different team to us. The boats cant do anything about raising the profile of the service because they have had the travel budgets slashed so if they had the manpower willing to go to their adopted towns they dont have the money to send them, and if you did, the lads would talk anyone interested in joining the SM service out of it and tell them to join the RAF (who have more personell to each plane than we do to each ship)
    Rant over, what are we going to do????????[/quote]

    "who have more personell to each plane than we do to each ship"? Wishfull thinking, although I escaped the Mob in 93 and the Reserves in 2002, from what I gather there is a lack of aircraft engineering personell. Having had too many in the past the pendulum has gone too far the other way. And the troops are generally not too happy for a variety of reasons. So if anyone in the SM Service tells people to join the RAF it could be that those persons are in for a dissapointment.
     
  19. I had a quick look at the link posted by muse and noted that Submarine pay is higher than Flying pay. I wonder how many jet jockies are aware of that.
     

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