More Jails

andym

War Hero
Look at this load of old tosh!

One of the country's top judges says prisons are now so full offenders should only be sent to jail if absolutely necessary.

Lord Chief Justice, Lord Phillips, said more offenders should receive community sentences.


What is happening???????These bloody crims need a Punishment that fits the crime and one that will be deterrant,not painting some bloody meeting house for Somalian Lesbians Macrame Circle in London!

I just cant wait to see what the next load of old bollox they come out with,no wonder there was a Peasants Revolt!!!!!!
 

chieftiff

War Hero
Moderator
I think it's worth mentioning that the guy isn't a complete idiot ( although he is a judge so possibly he is out of touch ) he brings up some good points like what is the point in sticking anyone in prison for a couple of weeks? If their crimes are that insignificant how can you justify the cost to the prison service in time, manpower and money? and how can you possibly pretend to educate or rehabilitate anyone in a fortnight.

Wouldn't it be better to free up some prison officers to supervise chain gangs? (my slant on his opinion)

As usual the press have grabbed his apparently outrageous statement and edited it to suit rather than investigating it's truth.
 

janner

MIA
Book Reviewer
Another point was that prisons shouldn't be used as drug rehab units, surely it would be better to have specific, secure units for drug abusers, any that could be weaned off drugs would help to cut both the crime rate and re offending.
 

MightyCrash

Badgeman
I thought it highly funny that on Sky News yesturday the ran with a story that said if Football holligans did not give us their passports they would face 6 months in Jail - then, immediatly after ran with the story about people not going to prison unless absolutly necessary!
 
janner said:
Another point was that prisons shouldn't be used as drug rehab units, surely it would be better to have specific, secure units for drug abusers, any that could be weaned off drugs would help to cut both the crime rate and re offending.

I think we need to find a new way of dealing with the drug problem entirely, the present plan is just not working.

Peter
 
MightyCrash said:
I thought it highly funny that on Sky News yesturday the ran with a story that said if Football holligans did not give us their passports they would face 6 months in Jail - then, immediatly after ran with the story about people not going to prison unless absolutly necessary!

Obviously they need to free up the space for the football hooligans.

Peter
 

SILVER_FOX

War Hero
I agree, he does make some good points but the real problem is the lack of space in our prisons. Prison is meant to serve as both a deterrent to those who would commit a crime and as fitting punishment when they choose to ignore the law.

The reality is that sentencing is becoming a joke with shorter sentences dished out for all crimes including the more serious ones such as rape, manslaughter and even murder.

Life no longer means life and the number of cases where these people are back on the streets in relatively short order are rising all the time.
 
Prison is also supposed to attempt to rehabilitate the offender so that the chances of re-offending are reduced. Considering the vast majority of those in prison have already served one sentence it does seem to be failing us in this respect.

Life in fact does mean life, just that part of the sentence may be served out of prison. A released lifer can be locked up again if he/she breaks the terms of the licence, or re-offends. The fact that very few ever do go back tends to indicate that the system tends to work.

Peter
 

Skunkmiester

Lantern Swinger
Drug addicts need treating not locking away. Drug addicts should not be treated like criminals. They should be treated harshley but on properly constructed courses, not locking away with real criminals.

Some kind of boot camp style camp but not just harsh treatment, try to reconstruct the human being at the same time.
 
I agree that addicts who have not committed other criminal offences need treatment not punishment, and I suspect that a structured 'boot camp' type course could help as it could with those in the early stages of their criminal career.

One of the big problems with drug addiction is the vast ammount of low level crime it generates to line the pushers pockets, and at present we are doing nothing to really impact on this cash flow. This is where wereally have to think out of the box to make real progress. The present system by offering vast returns to the pushers is just self perpetuating.

Peter
 
More jails? Yes. Separate prison facilities for drug addicts? Probably, but getting a user off drugs is a very difficult problem. Firstly, they must want to lose their addiction and, if their only potential after weaning is more of the same, why should they even want it?

There can only be one answer to the big money made from illicit drug supply and that is to make it cheaply available through official sources. De-criminilisation is probably a step too far, but if access is made very expensive and difficult, addicts have no choice but to find funding, which means crime of some sort to generate the cash.

It's a conundrum, but civilised man is clever enough to overcome this.

The judge was absolutely right that short sentences are ineffective. It does make me laugh to think that anybody really believes that life sentences are for life and the fact that very few people are returned to prison after release on licence means that the system works. Prisoners released on licence are merely conveniently forgotten, along with those asylum seekers whose applications are rejected. It's all just too much trouble.
 
Skunkmiester said:
Drug addicts need treating not locking away. Drug addicts should not be treated like criminals. They should be treated harshley but on properly constructed courses, not locking away with real criminals.

Some kind of boot camp style camp but not just harsh treatment, try to reconstruct the human being at the same time.

HMS Raleigh?
 
Top