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MOD briefing on CORNWALL incident

Re: Govt to prove that "Cornwall" personnel were in Iraqi wa

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Not exactly a foxy chick !!!!!,awful[/quote]

Compared to whom, Claire Short or Anne Widicombe :shock:[/quote]

At least these two ladies had respect as pollies from all of the parties - which can't be said for Beckett so far as the media, and some in her own party, is concerned.

:neutral:
 

dondon

MIA
Re: Govt to prove that "Cornwall" personnel were in Iraqi wa

Would rather shag Anne Widdercombe , would I go down below , dont think so , but what the hell , go for it ,
 

silverfox

War Hero
Moderator
Book Reviewer
Re: Govt to prove that "Cornwall" personnel were in Iraqi waters

I now have a mental image that I can't shake off - Thanks for that DD...
 

dondon

MIA
Re: Govt to prove that "Cornwall" personnel were in Iraqi waters

silverfox said:
I now have a mental image that I can't shake off - Thanks for that DD...


What a thought "silverfox" , Anchovies spring to to mind , oh my god , dont even go there ,
 

Guns

War Hero
Moderator
Re: Govt to prove that "Cornwall" personnel were in Iraqi waters

Now I have a little bit of sick in my mouth and feel mentaly abused.

Please, no more. I will tell you anything you need to know. No more.
 

Shakey

War Hero
Re: Govt to prove that "Cornwall" personnel were in Iraqi wa

Breaking news on Sky - MOD confirms that they were 1.7 miles inside Iraqi territory.

They're upping the ante....
 

PartTimePongo

War Hero
It appears MINIMISE has been lifted with regard to certain aspects of this incident.

However, please post with an eye to OPSEC and PERSEC on this. Please keep the rants and idle speculation out of it. This forum is very likely to be read by family , colleagues and friends of the detainees , please bear that in mind as you post.

Thanks

PTP

MOD briefing shows Royal Navy personnel were in Iraqi waters
28 Mar 07

The Ministry of Defence has presented evidence which shows that the fifteen personnel detained by Iranian authorities on Friday 23 March 2007 were operating in Iraqi waters when they were seized.


The briefing, at defence headquarters in London, was given by Vice Admiral Charles Style, Deputy Chief of the Defence Staff (Commitments). Vice Admiral Style, who is responsible for providing strategic advice to operational commanders, explained in detail where the Royal Navy personnel were located when they were seized:

"The aim of this brief is to provide a factual account of the incident during which fifteen Royal Naval personnel were seized by the Iranians last Friday. By way of background, HMS CORNWALL was in charge of the coalition force, which - alongside the Iraqi Navy - is operating in the Northern Persian Gulf.

"This force maintains the sovereignty and integrity of Iraqi territorial waters under UN Security Council Resolution 1723, and with the approval of the Iraqi Government. The ship – and others in the coalition - maintain a presence patrolling there. They are also charged with protection of the Iraqi offshore oil infrastructure – economically very important - and the security of merchant vessels.


"On 23 March a boarding team consisting of seven Royal Marines and eight sailors - who were embarked in two of HMS CORNWALL's boats - conducted a routine boarding of an Indian flagged Merchant Vessel which was cooperative throughout. They investigated this vessel after witnessing her unloading cars into two barges secured alongside. Since early March the force has conducted 66 routine boardings. So the one that I'm talking about was entirely routine business, and conducted in a particular area where four other boardings have been completed recently.

"As shown on the chart, the merchant vessel was 7.5 nautical miles south east of the Al Faw Peninsula and clearly in Iraqi territorial waters. Her master has confirmed that his vessel was anchored within Iraqi waters at the time of the arrest. The position was 29 degrees 50.36 minutes North 048 degrees 43.08 minutes East. This places her 1.7 nautical miles inside Iraqi territorial waters. This fact has been confirmed by the Iraqi Foreign Ministry.


"The Iranian government has provided us with two different positions for the incident. The first we received on Saturday and the second on Monday. As this map shows, the first of these points still lies within Iraqi territorial waters. We pointed this out to them on Sunday in diplomatic contacts.

"After we did this, they then provided a second set of coordinates that places the incident in Iranian waters over two nautical miles from the position given by HMS CORNWALL and confirmed by the merchant vessel. The two Iranian positions are just under a nautical mile apart – 1800 yards or so. It is hard to understand a reason for this change of coordinates. We unambiguously contest both the positions provided by the Iranians.

"I should just explain at this point that the boats remained connected at this point. One of the seaboats was connected via data link, which communicated its position continually to the ship where it was displayed, superimposed on an electronic chart, on a purpose built console. During the boarding this console was constantly monitored and indicated, throughout, that the boats had remained well within Iraqi territorial waters.

"Our boarding started at 0739 local time and was completed at 0910 with the merchant vessel having been cleared to continue with her business. Communications were lost with the boarding team as the boarding was finishing … at 0910. HMS CORNWALL's Lynx helicopter, which had been covering the initial stages of the boarding, immediately returned to the scene to locate the boarding team.

"The helicopter reported that the two seaboats were being escorted by Iranian Islamic Republican Guard Navy vessels towards the Shatt 'Al Arab Waterway and were now inside Iranian territorial waters. Debriefing of the helicopter crew and a conversation with the master of the merchant ship both indicate that the boarding team were ambushed while disembarking from the merchant vessel. Both boats were equipped with a GPS chart plotter.


"On Sunday morning, 25 March, HMS CORNWALL's Lynx conducted an overflight of the merchant vessel, which was still at anchor, and once again confirmed her location on Global Positioning System equipment. Her Master confirmed that his vessel had remained at anchor since Friday, and was in Iraqi territorial waters.

"Ladies and Gentlemen, my primary message is clear. HMS CORNWALL with her boarding party was going about her legal business – in Iraqi Territorial waters, under a United Nations Security Council Resolution, with the explicit approval of the Iraqi government.

"The action by Iranian forces in arresting and detaining our people is unjustified and wrong. As such it is a matter of deep concern to us and the families of the people who have been taken. We continue not only to call for their safe, but for their safe and speedy, return, and we continue to seek immediate consular access to them as a prelude to their release."
 

F169

War Hero
I just watched Margaret Beckett's statement to the House live on the BBC. If I was the Iranian President I would have just one question. Why? Why doesn't the Speaker of the British House of common politicians insist she wears a veil?

Seriously though: Regarding her statement, one has to wonder if the government has fully analysed the reasons for the kidnapping IE. its aim and objectives&endstate from the Iranian perspective. If so, has the government analysed the primary, secondary and tertiary effects of the statement Mrs Beckett has just made on the various influential Iranian government agencies? Have they red-teamed (in sufficient depth) the Iranian reactions from a National Effects based perspective. Or, as I suspect is much more likely, are we fumbling around in the dark not having previously planned for this eventuality, reacting rather than being pro-active?
 

ukdaytona

War Hero
F169 said:
I just watched Margaret Beckett's statement to the House live on the BBC. If I was the Iranian President I would have just one question. Why? Why doesn't the Speaker of the British House of common politicians insist she wears a veil?

Seriously though: Regarding her statement, one has to wonder if the government has fully analysed the reasons for the kidnapping IE. its aim and objectives&endstate from the Iranian perspective. If so, has the government analysed the primary, secondary and tertiary effects of the statement Mrs Beckett has just made on the various influential Iranian government agencies? Have they red-teamed (in sufficient depth) the Iranian reactions from a National Effects based perspective. Or, as I suspect is much more likely, are we fumbling around in the dark not having previously planned for this eventuality, reacting rather than being pro-active?

eh?
 

stumpy

War Hero
The Foreign Secretary's speech was well attended by the opposition but the attendance by Labour MPs was a total disgrace.
 
ukdaytona said:
F169 said:
I just watched Margaret Beckett's statement to the House live on the BBC. If I was the Iranian President I would have just one question. Why? Why doesn't the Speaker of the British House of common politicians insist she wears a veil?

Seriously though: Regarding her statement, one has to wonder if the government has fully analysed the reasons for the kidnapping IE. its aim and objectives&endstate from the Iranian perspective. If so, has the government analysed the primary, secondary and tertiary effects of the statement Mrs Beckett has just made on the various influential Iranian government agencies? Have they red-teamed (in sufficient depth) the Iranian reactions from a National Effects based perspective. Or, as I suspect is much more likely, are we fumbling around in the dark not having previously planned for this eventuality, reacting rather than being pro-active?

eh?

seconded, sounds a bit like F 169 has swallowed a NuLabor NuSpeke grammar book
 

ukdaytona

War Hero
stumpy said:
The Foreign Secretary's speach was well attended by the opposition but the attendance by Labour MPs was a total disgrace.

But surely your not surprised by this, Labour MPs care nothing for those who put their lives in danger...........

Be interesting to see how many MPs from all sides are in attendance whenever a discussion or briefing regarding the Armed Forces is held.....
 

F169

War Hero
Daytona & Peter,

nothing to do with New Labour, everything to do with joined up forward planning by certain government agencies, esp Cab Office, FCO, MOD and others that dont need naming here to protect the interests of British Citizens by taking predictable events and looking at them in detail from the antagonist's perspective, before and after they occur.
 

ukdaytona

War Hero
F169 said:
Daytona & Peter,

nothing to do with New Labour, everything to do with joined up forward planning by certain government agencies, esp Cab Office, FCO, MOD and others that dont need naming here to protect the interests of British Citizens by taking predictable events and looking at them in detail from the antagonist's perspective, before and after they occur.

eh?
 

Shakey

War Hero
Looks like their going to let the wren go and their foreign minister has hinted it may have been a mistake.

'Mottaki discounted the possibility of an escalation in the crisis, suggesting that the alleged entry into Iranian waters may have been a mistake.

"This is a violation that just happened. It could be natural. They did not resist," he said'
 
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