Mobile phones

Ginfizz

Midshipman
hi just thought I’d put it out there as to what are people’s opinions of taking mobile phones ( smart) phone to Raleigh.
My son hopefully will be going in July and I’ve said that it wouldn’t be a good idea taking it ( only because I know what he’s like as it’s a distraction ) I’ve said to him that he can take a phone so he can use it as a point of contact however he begs to differ o_O
What are your thoughts on this
 

pompeyexpat

War Hero
If he didn't take a smart phone he'd be one of the few, but they do cause lots of issues.

I joined long before the days of mobile phones so it would be easy for me to say they shouldn't be allowed, I managed without - but I also realise that there are kids joining now that can't remember not being able to access the web and snapchat/instagram/facebook their mates whenever they wanted to. My son being one of them (he passed out of Raleigh last September). Mobile phones are a fact of life, for the RN to pretend otherwise would be counterproductive.

There are a number of restrictions placed on the use of mobile phones in Phase 1 training, and breaching those restrictions earns punishments, both individually and for the group. Phone bans of 24 - 72 hours are not uncommon, but repeated flouting of the rules by an individual is treated as a disciplinary offence that can lead to discharge.

The imposition of those restrictions is a part of the learning process for the recruits, both in the practice of obeying orders that they might not like and in the reality of life afloat, where mobile use can be restricted depending on several factors.

So yes, it will be a distraction - they are. I leave my phone on the other side of my office for that very reason. But equally having it will allow him to call you when able, and believe me many parents start to worry when they don't hear from their children, and will provide him with a learning opportunity applicable to life in the fleet.
 

Ginfizz

Midshipman
Thanks @pompeyexpat ive said he can have a phone so he can use it for calls but not one with FB and other social media sites , he thinks I’m being unreasonable, however I’m taking away the distraction as I know most teenagers are stuck to them these days
Do they have their phones taken away from them ?
 

pompeyexpat

War Hero
Unless they're subject to a phone ban they get to keep them. (Phone bans happen a lot). Social media is one of the biggest problems - lots of recruits get caught out because they post stuff on social media sites that they shouldn't have, and the staff at Raleigh are very savvy at finding it.

I don't think you're being unreasonable necessarily, in fact you may be doing him a favour. It's not just about posting pics or messaging when they shouldn't; those that really can't leave their phones alone sometimes find themselves using them when they should be doing something else. Evenings are mostly the recruits own time, but that time shouldn't be wasted when they have kit to clean & iron for example. That's an area where some fall down, they don't get into trouble for the use of the phone itself, but for the fact that their kit might not be up to scratch because they didn't leave themselves enough time owing to the need to check out what's going down in the world of the interweb.

There are times though when the use of phones and all that goes with it are positively encouraged - Sundays at church.

I'm not trying to push people away from here either, but there is a Facebook page (I'm aware of the irony of that) set up for parents where you may find some useful stuff too - HMS Raleigh Families (and phase two & beyond)

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1873944746256935/?ref=group_header
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
I guess the majority of us become absorbed with smartphones, says he, sat on a train to Portsmouth listening to music and posting this simultaneously.

The fact is, as already indicated, there's a time and a place. Working day, no. During free time, yes....but we want people to communicate face to face with the the people they are in company with and bond as a team.

We've all seen it socially - a group of people sat in a pub or restaurant, ignoring each other and digitally "conversing" with distant friends who are presumably more important than those they are in company with.

I'm as guilty as the next person, but we need people to use "voice primary", communicate, make friends and socialise and as long as those joining appreciate this (many fail to grasp it fully, viewing smartphones as a right), then all will be fine.

What amazes me is the addictive nature of these things which becomes evident when otherwise normal, compliant individuals just cannot grasp the basic concept of "time & place".

Then again, as an old matelot, I go apeshit when a bloke wears a hat in church (Jesus H. Fcuking Christ!), so maybe I'm behind the times a bit ;)
 

Ginfizz

Midshipman
Interesting !!! I think I’m doing him a favour I know that it defo would be a distraction which could cost him. I’ve said that it’s all about bonding with others becoming a team like you have said @Ninja_Stoker . The only worry ( not really ha !!) would be would he be taken the mickey out of for not having it .
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
Interesting !!! I think I’m doing him a favour I know that it defo would be a distraction which could cost him. I’ve said that it’s all about bonding with others becoming a team like you have said @Ninja_Stoker . The only worry ( not really ha !!) would be would he be taken the mickey out of for not having it .
Nowadays he would truly be in the minority by not having access to a smartphone, as previously observed.

You'd think it was easy to leave a phone switched-off during the day. Or, at least I would. Appararently it isn't. I do find that a bit disturbing but you are correct that many cannot function without it.

Anyway, excuse me, I need to check my emails, the weather, the news and what's occuring on Faceache.
 

LateToTheParty

Lantern Swinger
I believe as I was coming out of Raleigh they were installing lockers for phones and they could only come out during the allotted times.
Also I would consider that him joining the armed forces where he needs to function as an adult and a part of a team on a war fighting vessel that his mum not letting him have his phone is kind of funny.
 

WreckerL

War Hero
Super Moderator
I believe as I was coming out of Raleigh they were installing lockers for phones and they could only come out during the allotted times.
Also I would consider that him joining the armed forces where he needs to function as an adult and a part of a team on a war fighting vessel that his mum not letting him have his phone is kind of funny.
Lockers are installed, with charging points. The staff hold the keys so no sneaking off to go on faceache to see what your mate back home is having for breakfast!
 
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WreckerL

War Hero
Super Moderator
Breakfast is an important meal...
Never understood why people have to show the world what they're having though.

I know allegedly security conscious service personnel who quite happily inform the nation that they're sat at the airport waiting for the flight for 2weeks in the sun.

Thanks for the info, gives me two weeks to burgle your house!!
 

Sumo

War Hero
Thanks for the info, gives me two weeks to burgle your house!!
Do you have a second life style we are not aware of, or have you been talking to our resident scouser? ;) @Ninja_Stoker you been training him?

Funny thing is, people think they are being sociable on their phones, reality is they are the most unsociable invention next to the computer, as he types merrily away :rolleyes: on his own.
The modern smart phone is also a big modern threat to security, learning time and place is critical.
 

shutter island

Midshipman
Let him take his phone! I passed out raleigh at the end of last year and having my phone helped alot. You have spare time on weekends and being able to speak to friends through social media makes it more bareable.
 
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