Mine warfare specialist, (without the guff)

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  1. Ok Ladies and Gents.

    a former squaddie who left to start a new live with a girl who I later found out was cheating on me when I was on Herrick.

    Thinking about joining the RN, was looking at medic but find the recruitment office pushing me towards MW.

    Is there anybody in this trade that can shed some light as the afco and the online service is about as much use as ashtray on a motorcycle in this respect.

    Although I am earning good money in civvi street I find I am missing a challenge and suffering from loneliness and boredom BIG TIME.

    So any help folks can give me will be greatly received.

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  2. Mine warfare is boring...very boring, for excitment they clean all the floors and do the dusting, but seeing as you ain't the brightest fish in the drawer, I reckon it'll be the challenge you are looking for.
    Now edit your post, remove your name and try and remember all that shit about personal security you should have been taught as a pongo....then I'll do the same with this dribble.
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  7. Blackrat

    Blackrat War Hero Moderator Book Reviewer

    Locked due to derailing. I'll edit and open it up later.
  8. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Thread unlocked - relax handbags. One all round... (feel free to edit as required).

    Serious question: If you want to join as a Medical Assistant (RN equivalent of Combat Med Tech), why RN? Your choice of branch is your call, not your AFCOs, providing you pass selection.

    It may well be that the person you spoke to at your AFCO was a "loan rating" (RN equivalent of 'Satisfied Soldier') on temporary loan - if that's the case their job is to check eligibility & provide info on career options available. They aren't trained, nor qualified to give definitive careers advice and if in doubt, just ask to speak to a careers adviser.

    Why anyone would "push towards MW" over any other branch of the service is beyond me, specifically if you already know what you want to do. The only thing I can think is perhaps the individual offering the advice is already in that branch, keen as mustard and cannot understand why you want to be a medic....or maybe you stated you wanted to be working with explosive ordnance, are ineligible for Diver & perhaps he/she suggested MW as the "closest" alternative? Either way, very mysterious.

    Not sure why you're otherwise considering MW, but Mine Warfare, as the branch title suggests, are going to spend a career working on Mine Counter-measures ships. The job entails working in the Warfare branch of the Navy and going by my time on plastic ships, spend much of their career in UK and Northern European littoral waters, although nowadays there's a fair chance of deploying to the Arabian Gulf on a regular basis also.

    As Spidiver alludes, all branches have a menial aspect and as an "upperdeck technician" much of the working day, when not keeping watches (shifts) peering at sonar VDU screens, classifying lumpy things as FBRs or possible contacts,you will be involved undertaking hands-on seamanship evolutions such as routine maintenance of upperdeck fittings, launching & recovering boats and mine-hunting/disposal paraphernalia and not least helping bring the ship alongside or slip & proceed, fiddling with bits of string (cordage) and suchlike. And yes, much like the Army, you need to do your share of cleaning - everyone does it, Divers, Stokers, Logisticians & the rest.

    In short if you want to be an MA and are eligible and pass selection, join as an MA.
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  9. Thank you so much for your reply. Greatly received.

    To be honest I don't think I got a high enough score of the aptitude test of MA, my English and mechanical comprehension was spot on, but math not so much. I suffer from Dyscalculia and think this played apart on the day.

    I had mentioned in an interview that I like to do physically demanding work and be pushed and challenged wherever possible, hence why the afco is pushing this line. To be honest it does just look like a job AND not a career. Which I guess is better than sitting on the dole, but I will have to think long and hard if I am going to leaving a quite comfortable life in civvy street for this job.
  10. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    If you`ve actually commenced the selection process and taken the recruiting test you`ll have been counselled by a qualified careers adviser with regard options available in relation to the score achieved if you failed to score high enough for your first preference. The obvious option is to consider a re-sit, but alternatives currently available will also be advised. It`s unlikely the AFCO would "push" any job as the name of the game is trying to ensure the individual chooses wisely, enjoys it & chooses to stay in the service.

    Good luck.

  11. Thanks for your well wishes and info on this subject
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  12. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Depending on the recruit test score and waiting times for various branches, the realistic choice of options, for those in a rush to join can be limited. If you've sat the test previously and this is your last shot then logically there will be even more limitations on aspirations.

    Firstly there's no obligation to join and secondly you can sit the test twice. If you've stated you want to join as quickly as possible & are not able to resit the test, then it's hobson's choice.
  13. No crayoning, didn't see the last deleted posts. For a lad that has done Herrick etc I think you will find MW VERY boring. I'm sure the MW rates will defend their branch, but the amount of actual mine warfare carried out on live ordnance is probably about 1% if at all in a 22 year career.

    This is not a diver being anti MW, as some of the best lads onboard were MW. I just think the job is very dull as all you do for 80% of your time is maintenance and the rest is steering the ship or stood on the gangway. About 10% of your dreary day (over a career) is spent doing MW. By that I mean looking at a sonar screen and putting ROV's in the water.

    Seriuosly find another branch. Happy to be correcte by YammerDabber etc.
  14. Thank you for taking the time to be honest and forthright in supplying an answer to my problem. You and Ninja_Stoker have been very helpful in this matter, all my thanks..
  15. Just curious to know what the average career time of mw is? if they have guys only lasting a couple of years then re-trading or leaving all together then that would explain an awful lot. Sounds a bit like the driver trade in the logistic courps to be honest.
  16. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    WS(MW)'s average 6 years service. Minimum service is around 4.5 years after completing training (7 months), 30 months return of service & submitting 12 months notice.

    Thinking about your pre-edit comments in post #11 regarding the WO & the "pup" who advised WS(MW) as the only option, I've been wracking my noggin as to why that would possibly be the case. Even if you stated you didn't want to become a submariner, if you scored high enough for WS(MW), you also scored high enough for at least Warfare Specialist, Seaman Specialist, Communications Information Specialist and Steward.

    We're really not bothered what branch you elect to join as it makes no difference (we don't have specific targets and/or earn extra for filling certain branches ahead of others, for example), so the only reason I can think that you were offered WS(MW) is maybe due to your age or the fact you are in a rush to join for some other reason, but don't want to be a submariner.

    Therefore the only thing that springs to mind is the other branches available (except submariner) have a longer wait to join and if time is an issue, that's why WS(MW) was given as your best option due to score achieved and time constraints.
  17. Hope I haven't stirred up a hornets nest here. To be honest I am old enough to know my own mind if I dont feel comfortable in this role then I wont go for it. Simples.
  18. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Not at all.

    As you state, the choice of job is entirely yours - I'm just trying to figure why you were given limited options.

    The eligibility matrix may help, but unless you know what the figures & acronyms mean, may just confuse the issue: http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/News-and-Events/Reference-Library/~/media/Files/Navy-PDFs/News-and-Events/Naval%20Publications/BR%203/br3book/ch07%20Matrix%20RNRMRFA.pdf
  19. Nothing wrong with mine warfare especially if you can use an mop and bucket.
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