Midshipmen

Lynx101

Lantern Swinger
#1
Is it true that Midshipmen are non-commissioned officers? I was sure that they were commissioned but I think I might have read somewhere that S/Lt is the lowest commissioned rank? Is this true?
Thanks!
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#4
My commission is dated the day I was promoted to Acting Sub Lieutenant. Lacking access to QRRN, this extract from Wiki complies with my understanding (link) (link):

Wikipedia said:
...In countries whose ranking systems are based upon the models of the British Armed Forces, officers from the rank of Second Lieutenant (Army), Sub-Lieutenant (Navy) or Pilot Officer (Air Force) to the rank of General (Army), Admiral (Navy) or Air Chief Marshal (Air Force) are holders of a commission granted to them by the awarding authority. In Britain and other Commonwealth realms, the awarding authority is the monarch (or a Governor General representing the monarch) as head of state. The head of state often is granted the power to award commissions, or has commissions awarded in his or her name....
When an officer is saluted, it is the commission he/she holds that is being acknowledged, not the individual; just like saluting the ensign (the equivalent of a 'regimental colour') when boarding or leaving a commissioned warship or submarine. While not yet holding a commission, midshipmen are usually saluted out of common courtesy.

An officer awarded a commission retains it for life unless he/she resigns it, is 'cashiered', or disqualifies themself in some way, e.g. joins the Armed Services of a country not having the British monarch as its Head of State/Commander-in-Chief. In a similar manner, officers don't 'retire' from the Service, they are just transferred from the 'Active List' to the 'Retired List' in the rank last held.
 
#7
not wishing to deviate too much from the thread by why is the signature of Lynx 101 that of two Merlins. I'm au fait with the EH101 and can see the reference in that context. Just asking out of curiosity.
 
#8
Officer ranks taken from QRRN's


NATO Code (RN only)
RN including QARNNS Military including
RM, and QARANC
Air Force
including
PMRAFNS
OF-10 Admiral of the Fleet Field Marshal Marshal of the
Royal Air Force
OF-9 Admiral General Air Chief Marshal
OF-8 Vice-Admiral Lieutenant-General Air Marshal
OF-7 Rear-Admiral Major-General Air Vice-Marshal
OF-6 Commodore Brigadier Air Commodore
OF-5 Captain Colonel Group Captain
OF-4 Commander Lieutenant-Colonel Wing Commander
OF-3 Lieutenant-Commander Major Squadron Leader
OF-2 Lieutenant Captain Flight Lieutenant
Sub-Lieutenant (but junior to military and Air Force ranks)
Lieutenant Flying Officer
OF-1 Midshipman (but junior to military and Air Force ranks)
(QARNNS does not have a Midshipman rank)
Second Lieutenant Pilot Officer Acting Pilot Officer (but
junior to Second Lieutenant)

Enjoy

SM

:)
 
#9
scouse said:
All the famous Officers in the RN started life as Snotties :wink: :wink: Flying Buccaneers as well :salute: :worship:
Not quite true. Many would have started as cadets as I did, or even on the lower deck. Those who flew Buccs would certainly have been cadets before they became midshipmen.

(Don't you just hate smart a**es? :) )
 
#10
scouse said:
All the famous Officers in the RN started life as Snotties :wink: :wink: Flying Buccaneers as well :salute: :worship:
Admiral Lyne didn't and he was famous in Victorian England. He trained at the Premier Public School for Ratings! :p
 
#11
IMHO I think that in there egalitarian days ALL members of the Senior Service from Junior to Admiral of the Fleece, should get commissions. The other services should relinquish theirs, bar the Royals, who are really wavy sailors in lovat!
 
#12
Midshipmen are Invincible! FACT
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Name: Midshipmen are Invincible! FACT
Category: Just for Fun - Outlandish Statements
Description: Midi tabs are bulletproof, bombproof, and amazing bullshit deflectors.

Anyone who needs proof just watch an old WWII film, 18 inch shells can land on their heads killing all others around but the Snotty always pops up unscathed.
 
#13
scouse said:
Midshipmen are Invincible! FACT
Global
Basic Info
Name: Midshipmen are Invincible! FACT
Category: Just for Fun - Outlandish Statements
Description: Midi tabs are bulletproof, bombproof, and amazing bullshit deflectors.

Anyone who needs proof just watch an old WWII film, 18 inch shells can land on their heads killing all others around but the Snotty always pops up unscathed.
That's because they were manufacturered from steel! :D