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MESM SUY Career Path

off_les_aura

War Hero
Gents I need some information and advice. I need to make an informed decision on whether to "jump ship" and apply to transfer to MESM by next Tuesday 8O .

Can anyone who has been though the SUY MESM path tell me:

1. How long is the training at Sultan?
2. How long is the Spec Training and what does it involve?
3. How long do you spend as an AMEO?
4. Is the core MESM post ashore or on a boat?
5. From leaving Sultan, how much time can I expect to spend on a boat (years?months?back-to-back boats?)

I need to make a comparison with my current SUY career path so that I can make this important decision. Please help!
 
I've not completed the current MESM SUY pipeline but I know a bit about it:

1. Sultan training for you would be "bespoke" - anywhere between 12-18 months probably. You will need to complete the SEMC MESM(SUY) plus some additional ME systems training.
2. The above will be all the shore training you get, you will then be assigned to a boat to qualify Nuclear EOOW. As a non submariner this will probably take you 6-9 months dependent on S/M class, programme etc.
3. AMEO assignment will probably be 2.5-3 years
4. After this you would do 1 or 2 shore jobs before returning to sea for DMEO/MEO assignment. This assumes you get your Charge recommend during your AMEO assignment. You will need to be selected for promotion to Lt Cdr before you can be the MEO. DMEO, although still a Charge job, can be fulfilled as a Lt*.
5. Most guys complete a "double charge" job at the moment which will be 3.5-4 years total. However it dooes depend on age, seniority, reach etc.
6. Once you get to be a post charge MESM Lt Cdr you will not normally go back to sea again, although there are exceptions.
7. Anything else you need pm me.

regards
NAFKFP
 

off_les_aura

War Hero
Hmmm. So I can expect a fair amount of boat time before I get a shore job. I am concerned about how well a 20-year WAFU can perform as a Deeps, let alone cope with extended periods under the sea. You people are a pretty special breed and I'm not convinced that I'd be cut out for the job. Despite the temptation to take up the offer to secure a place a Dartmouth
 
As a 20 year old you cannot be an SUY, therefore the training pipeline I've described above will not necessarily apply. The career pipeline however will apply.

All submariners do sea time, particularly in the early years, and all SM engineers keep sea watches on the plant. The training, qualification, continuation training etc. are all difficult and there are loads of "rejects" in GS who could not make the grade. Special breed - almost certainly Yes - that's one of the resons why we get all that extra pay !!
 

off_les_aura

War Hero
NAFKFP - I'm 36 mate. When I say "20-year WAFU" I mean I've been a WAFU for 20 years :) I am giving it some serious consideration though, I just need to know the facts before I commit.

Basically, my SUY pot is huge and the extraction rate is small. I've had a reality check - I'm probably never gonna make it in my source branch which is why I'm looking at other options.
 

off_les_aura

War Hero
A CPOAET might be gettting selected for MESM next month if I go for it :)

The way I see it is, basically I'll be going through like a Grad - absolutely no experience of the Submarine Service or Marine Engineering, essentially starting from scratch.

However, the advantage I'll have over the Grads will be 20 years experience of the Navy and all the good stuff that brings with it, plus a sound foundation knowledge of engineering principles.

The challenge of learning new systems is something that I'd enjoy as I love learning, the only sticking point is whether or not I could hack it under the ocean - but that's largely an unknown. I have lots of pre-conceptions about life in a sub but I won't know if I can hack it until I try it. From what I've been told by the Lt in my office (ex-CPOMEA, now Lt AEO) is that you will find no better comraderie in any other Service than that experienced by a boat crew, and he said it's the one thing that he does miss about the Silent Service.
 

witsend

MIA
Book Reviewer
The first draft as you go through AMEO(Training), AMEO(Propulsion) & AMEO(Ships) will be the hardest. Alot of time spent onboard and crap jobs. Very much how you get on with your DMEO & MEO. The systems you will learn quickly. The hardest part IMHO will be the simulator. A mock man room where they throw everything & the kitchen sink at you and your team. Good luck mate.
 

off_les_aura

War Hero
Witsend - is that at the end of your Sea Training? It sounds a bit like our Certificate of Competency Fleet Board, but a bit more "real". Looking at the worst case scenario, what would happen at that point if I fail :(
 

witsend

MIA
Book Reviewer
I'm only watching from the sidelines.

I'll be one of the panel watchkeepers, who during your simulator training and onboard are part of your team. As you join you will be tagged AMEO(T), work your way through all the watchkeeping positions (walkrounds written & oral boards) on the NSRP (nuclear steam raising plant). You final exam(s) will be an oral fleet board with the squadron MEO and a winner takes all assessment (single superviser) in the man rm simulator. You'll be fine bud,,,,,good luck.
 

witsend

MIA
Book Reviewer
Sorry,,,,,, I'm not sure what happens if you fail, think its the stamp "no longer suitable for nuclear training" and returned to GS. You get at least 2 chances but you sound like you have your head screwed on so don't worry.
 

dixie_gooner

Lantern Swinger
witsend said:
Sorry,,,,,, I'm not sure what happens if you fail, think its the stamp "no longer suitable for nuclear training" and returned to GS. You get at least 2 chances but you sound like you have your head screwed on so don't worry.

Surely once you have completed your ME training, if you then "fail" SM training, you will remain GS, no worries then.
 
dixie_gooner said:
witsend said:
Sorry,,,,,, I'm not sure what happens if you fail, think its the stamp "no longer suitable for nuclear training" and returned to GS. You get at least 2 chances but you sound like you have your head screwed on so don't worry.

Surely once you have completed your ME training, if you then "fail" SM training, you will remain GS, no worries then.

It does not necessarily work out like that. If you are looking at becoming a MESM to improve your promotion chances (rather than own specialisation) then you need to deliver as a MESM post promotion. MESM training is much more specialised then ME.
 

off_les_aura

War Hero
notafourknotfudgepacker said:
It does not necessarily work out like that. If you are looking at becoming a MESM to improve your promotion chances (rather than own specialisation) then you need to deliver as a MESM post promotion. MESM training is much more specialised then ME.

Rest assured that I am not going into this purely to improve my promotion chances, that would be the wrong thing to do. I have got it straight in my head that if I do get picked up as MESM then thats what I'll ultimately be working towards.

The more I've thought about it the more I'm convinced that a complete career change would be a good move. Scary and exciting at the same time :?
 
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