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Merlin operating costs

spearfish

War Hero
In this month's Warship's World is a piece that covers questions asked in parliament.One of them was what is the operating cost of a Merlin?The answer is £42000 an hour!!What are you boys running it on?I could charter 4 B767 pax aircraft for that!!
Answers on a postcard please.
 

tufty

Lantern Swinger
Merlins don't fly back and forth with hundreds of passengers to Majorca do they and you couldn't land 4 767s on the back of a frigate either. So unless you know how the £42000 is arrived at and what it includes, thats a bit of a simplistic comparison isn't it.
 

stumpy

War Hero
tufty said:
Merlins don't fly back and forth with hundreds of passengers to Majorca do they and you couldn't land 4 767s on the back of a frigate either. So unless you know how the £42000 is arrived at and what it includes, thats a bit of a simplistic comparison isn't it.

Well, you could try, but I wouldn't like to be the FDO! :thumright:
 

tufty

Lantern Swinger
No, he would have to stand to one side while the pilot aims for the hangar door and gets the nose wedged in. Taking off again might be a problem though...
 

spearfish

War Hero
Lynx cost was £16000.I put the 767 cost in as a comparison as I couldn't get any figures for the helicopters operated for the oilies!
 
According to the Defence Aircraft Capitation Rates ( http://defenceintranet.diiweb.r.mil...F58EE3C8590/0/AircraftCapitationRates0708.xls ) the operating cost for just the machine is £3,162 per funded flying hour; made up of fuel and servicing costs. If we then descend to Beeniewonderland, the cost per flying hour becomes, wait for it; £41,588. That include the aircrew, Unit admin and the cast of thousands in the MoD. This compares to a SK 5/7; £3,183 per flying hour and £16,723, when the aircrew and parasite costs are added (meant in the best possible way).
 

Not_a_boffin

War Hero
As you say, in sensible terms it looks comparable, it's the beanie pretend costs that b8gger it up. Unfortunately, when asked "where does all the money go?" the answer almost invariably is Beaniewonderland (great name BTW PoL, must use it more often!).

What is quite interesting is the funded flight hrs pa for our Merlins vs the Crab ones. AIUI, the SH community is screaming for hours for Junglies, Wokkas, Merlins and Pumas and yet a force that is 2/3 the size of the MHF at CUL has only half the hours allocated.
 

copenhagencup

Lantern Swinger
Add to the cost per hour a procurement cost of £4.2 billion per 44 airframes (plus a 5 year support contract, what support) work out at circa £ 98 million each. A bargain and as stated on an earlier thread dry assembled to aid corrosion in a maritime aircraft, could they not run to PRC sealant at £98 million each.

And some of you on this site think Lewis Page is a twat, I think not we are here soley for the profits of UK(and Italian) defence industry.
 
"And some of you on this site think Lewis Page is a twat, I think not we are here soley for the profits of UK(and Italian) defence industry"

I think he made some good points - however his solutions-for the navy at least just sounded like a bitter man ranting- scrap all escorts-build loads of hms oceans and crew them by thr RFA?
 

stumpy

War Hero
Not_a_boffin said:
As you say, in sensible terms it looks comparable, it's the beanie pretend costs that b8gger it up. Unfortunately, when asked "where does all the money go?" the answer almost invariably is Beaniewonderland (great name BTW PoL, must use it more often!).

What is quite interesting is the funded flight hrs pa for our Merlins vs the Crab ones. AIUI, the SH community is screaming for hours for Junglies, Wokkas, Merlins and Pumas and yet a force that is 2/3 the size of the MHF at CUL has only half the hours allocated.

I am not sureI understand that right, but could it be because the RN realises the importance of helicopters, whereas the RAF doesn't?
 

Not_a_boffin

War Hero
Copenhagen - don't go double counting. The beaniewonderland costs include depreciation which is supposed to represent the acquisition costs. That's why they're so much more expensive by that measure.

OTOH Lewsi Page is a [email protected] of the first order.
 
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