MEO(General Service) forced into Submarine Service?

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ED50

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I don’t mind at all; In fact, I prefer to be completely honest so I can understand whether it is the right career choice for me.

One of the main reasons I want to join the Navy is for the travel. My current engineering job sees me travel regularly for work, and I enjoy this aspect of the job. The inherent nature of the Submarine Service means that the opportunity for port visits is vastly reduced, if not removed completely.

Transferable skills are another reason: Marine Engineer training appeals to me as sometime in the future I could find employment in the MN. I don’t have any interest in working as a nuclear engineer, so if I’m not dedicated to a full career in the submarine service, which I’m not, then employability outside is very limited.

Basically, I’d be joining the Navy to see as much of the world as possible. Serving in a submarine won’t allow this to happen.
I would love to be an MEO(GS), but I now understand I run the risk of being coerced in to the Submarine Service, which would remove the fundamental reason I joined in the first place.

Fair enough. I too would probably consider the Merchant Navy if the Royal Navy didn't work out. I understand the wanting to travel as that what attracted me but as already stated those days are probably over.
 
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Fair enough. I too would probably consider the Merchant Navy if the Royal Navy didn't work out.

I wouldn't, not a chance in hell would I swap being a Royal Navy Warfare Officer for a Merchant Deck Officer career! In fact I doubt you'll find any Warfare Officer willing to do so, or even recommend a merchant career today. Just look at the story in today's Guardian (the other Officers in the Mess had already bagsied the Times and Torygraph...) Captain refuses to abandon ship after eight months stranded in Sussex port | UK news | The Guardian
 
What car does he drive & does he holiday abroad once or more a year?

Like most married 2 1/2s I know, a really shit car and they went away for a week this year. The rest of the time he's duty (1 in 3 as a mid-seniority 2 1/2, poke that).

But in your defence, he's Cornish, so he saw the world when he crossed the Tamar all the way to Dartmouth. SULTAN was like a different world ;)
 
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ED50

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I wouldn't, not a chance in hell would I swap being a Royal Navy Warfare Officer for a Merchant Deck Officer career! In fact I doubt you'll find any Warfare Officer willing to do so, or even recommend a merchant career today. Just look at the story in today's Guardian (the other Officers in the Mess had already bagsied the Times and Torygraph...) Captain refuses to abandon ship after eight months stranded in Sussex port | UK news | The Guardian

I wouldn't swap either, it's on my list of potential other jobs if I fail to make it into the RN. If I passed I certainly wouldn't swap!
 

Ninja_Stoker

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Like most married 2 1/2s I know, a really shit car and they went away for a week this year. The rest of the time he's duty (1 in 3 as a mid-seniority 2 1/2, poke that).

But in your defence, he's Cornish, so he saw the world when he crossed the Tamar all the way to Dartmouth. SULTAN was like a different world ;)
Yep, know the type. Piso and probably a veritable baron.
 

soleil

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David

Having read what you have said, I found myself wondering yesterday whether you should check out Engineering in the RFA. It's true that RFA Recruitment has been restricted to an extent of late, but you may well find that this doesn't apply on the Engineering side.

There are things which you will have to research - where you train is slightly different, the sea time/shore leave split is different and how your salary is taxed is also different.

You should, of course, keep all your options open while investigating what would be best for you, but you should certainly check out the RFA to see whether there is an opportunity for you there.
 

David101

Newbie
Very often, someone achieving a lower than average scoring AIB pass may have more chance of being selected in a shortage category specialisation - you'll be advised about how you fared at AIB at the time and if offered submarines, you don't have to accept.

So am I right in thinking, that you enter BRNC knowing whether you are General or Submarine Service? If you were to be forcibly transferred, would it be after the point of no return? i.e., after commissioning from BRNC to what you thought would be a career with the surface fleet, and then finding yourself looking at 12 years as a MEO(SM).

I talked to my next door neighbour (about to be a MEO on a SM) about runs-ashore. He looked at me with a slight tear in his eye.

Honestly, I wouldn't join.

I wouldn’t either, and that is my point. It sounds like I may join as a MEO(GS), only to be subsequently told that I am a MEO(SM). It feels like I am applying for a job I want; with the risk that I may be transferred to one I don't, with no option to leave. Whether this is worth the risk, is what I am trying to consider.

You should, of course, keep all your options open while investigating what would be best for you, but you should certainly check out the RFA to see whether there is an opportunity for you there.

Can an application be transferred to the RFA, or does it have to run concurrently? I have an AIB pass for MEO, but I am under the impression I would have to begin the entire application process again.

Again, thanks for all responses.
 
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cjg375

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I think you could do with adjusting the way you are looking at this. As far as I am aware you are not applying or joining as an MEO(GS). You are joining as an MEO and are liable to serve in whatever area the RN needs you most. Its always really been like that although there is recruiting direct to Sub service these days. i don't think they let you say 'I only want to be Ships' though. When I first joined we went in as Artificer Apprentices thinking we'd get the branch specialisation we wanted but on streaming at the end of Raleigh many did not. if half the entry wants WAFU it aint going to happen for everyone. It may be that you get sent to Subs but there's a bit of a shortage in the Surface Fleet at present too(less volunteers through AFCO, less ability to select SUY due to shortage of CPO/WO2 and less UY as we don't have young tiffs to select anymore) so you may get on ships. The chances to visit wonderful places are pretty limited these days. If you join you'll almost certainly come to know the Eastern Med, Gulf and Falklands pretty well. The odd chance to go elsewhere but it's down to luck if you happen to be on one of the ships that gets to go. Alongside that is the reality that as an MEO you'll do normal occifer training at sea, specialist training as an AMEO, a job as a DMEO and, if you get that far, a job as an MEO. The rest of the time you'll be in an office somewhere doing engineering admin things so whether you served on a Sub or Ship before is really irrelevant.

The main point is that if you join the RN the first thing they look for is flexibility and it'll always be to the benefit of the service first.


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Ninja_Stoker

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If you are offered MEO (SM) after AIB and say "yes" you join as that. If you say "No" you can still be streamed SM later in service - same as every other person joining the RN apart from Woos (Fleet Air Arm), Divers, Meteorologists, Hydrographers, Mine Warfaries & Females (at present).

Interestingly even those branches (or genders) that would not normarily expect to serve on submarines sign a contract which states
S3049 Attestation Form said:
Part 5
Paragraph 5.1 "I understand that:
.....
b) I am liable to periods of service at sea or ashore in any part of the world and that I may be called upon to serve in any type of establishment, naval ship, submarine or merchant ship taken up from trade"

As repeatedly stated, it may not happen, in the majority of cases never will, but it can happen.

Not sure?

Don't join.
 
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