Medical Problems Clearance Diver

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  1. Any Advice ?
    I applied to join the Royal Navy as a clearance diver about 14 months ago but failed my RT first time, so had to do it again 6 months later which i then passed. I passed my interview and medical over the last 6 months and have been waiting since then, but last week had a phone call from my local careers office explaning that the medical staff had gone through my paperwork and decided that a old soft tissue knee injuriy i had in 2005 could prevent me from completing the diver course, even though i've had no problems for 4 years and have been running between 30 40 miles a week with no problems. He asked me if I would like pick another branch to which i said i didnt want to. So now I have got to go and see a Navy Orthopaedic doctor when they can get me an appointment :( anyone got any advice or know someone thats had similar problems. THANKS GAZ
  2. Hi mate sorry to hear about your current problem, as your aware the diving course is very demanding physically i.e log runs, mud runs etc which could produce alot of stress on your body especially your legs, my advice is to just see what happens hopefully you should be fine my mate is in the marines now he failed his medical first time due to astma but they told him, to wait couple more years then he was fine, now hes running around with a bergan and rifle living the dream good luck.
  3. Thanks for reply mate.
    If they still say i'm not up 4 it after my appointment i'll join a different branch and then do a sideways entry.
    Wat branch would give me my best chance at doing that or dosent it mater?
  4. I doubt that you'll be able to side-ways entry into the diving branch, the fact that you will have failed the medical twice by then for diver will be on your docs.

    On the bright side think of all the money you will save on not having to buy all those grooming products.
  5. Thanks for reply.
    Just wondering if anyone could tell me if the Royal Marines use the same medical cuz that was my 2'nd choice and i know i'm fit enough to get in as a CD or RM? Hopefully the orthopaedic doc will give me the all clear when i go and show them there is nothing wrong with my knee.
    Thanks Gaz.
  6. Good Luck Gaz!
  7. I think it's probably best you wait until you speak to the doctors. Only medical professionals examining you personally will be able to say anything, anything from RumRation would be speculation.
    If you can't go diver, they'll tell you what you can and can't do and that will be it. It's not the end of the world. This is why you have a plan B), C), and D).
    All the best, but prepare for the worst, anything that happens after that can only be an improvement then!
  8. I spent 25 years as a CD, I dislocated my knee 4 times during my career, loads of lads had knee problems, but the docs never got excited about.

    If it's causing you no problems and you can run those kind of distances you sound fine to me.. I'm not a diving doc though.
    At your appointment just keep telling the doc that it's fine and you can't even remember which knee it was, tell him that you run jump swim play squash (always a good sport for trashing knees) and you've never had any re-occuring problems.
    The courses are difficult, but if you want to be a diver then you will, (I did my killicks course 12 weeks after dislocating my knee,) Good luck !!
  9. I have just left the marines going in the CD branch, but during my time serving in the corps i dislocated my knee in basic, then dislocated it quite a few times when i had my snow board comps, knee injuries are quite common in the marines i would image amonst the CDs as well.
  10. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    There is a world of difference if you develop a history of knee injuries when serving as opposed to arriving with a known problem before you start.

    As repeatedly stated, the standards for entry differ to the standards for retention, once trained.

    That said, don't give up & wait to see what the Doc says. If by soft tissue injury you include ACL reconstruction, then it's invariably a no-go for CD's & RM's unfortunately. (Depending on the extent of the reconstruction for other trades.)
  11. Previous joint injury is a predisposition for Type 1 [muscular-skeletal] decompression incidents.

    If you were already a diver and suffered joint trauma [like Spidiver] then it would be an acceptable risk [the RN spends hundreds of pounds training a CD :roll: ] but as a civvy applicant the RN is being prudent in not taking the additional risk.

    You will probably have better luck with RM particularly if the injury has been asymptomatic for several years and you are capable of putting the miles in.

  12. Just because you're being referred to an orthopaedic surgeon doesn't mean you're going to be rejected. However, Spidiver's advice is crap. If we have already spotted the problem in your docs then we're not going to just ignore it if you ask us to!

    As in all these things, be honest.
  13. Bollocks to angrydoc, he and his doc oppo's just cover their arses all the time, they haven't got the bottle to give a guy a chance. First sign of a cough or cold and the spineless twats sign you off diving.

    Civvy diving docs that actually understand decompression are miles ahead of the field these days, well actually most of them are ex INM anyway, but yer average sickbay GP has neither the knowledge or guts to be professional. Soft tissue injuries can (not do) can theoretically have a predispotion to type 1 DCS, although they are very rare and considering the nature of Navy Diving and the decompression schedules and tables used, they are extremely rare and in 35 years as a navy diver and then as a commercial diver, I have never seen a type 1 or 2 caused or suspected to be caused by any injury, you got more chance of "bending" from wearing a tight fin strap.

    Any probs, pm me and I'll send you the address of a proper diving doc, used to be a 4 ringer and is a damn fine chap.
  14. Interesting.

    Covering our arses - let me tell you a story. It's called professional accountability. If I (as a medical practitioner) say I am happy for you to do something, and you do it and come to harm as a result, then you will be the first person to call your solicitor and sue me. Medical litigation is higher in the UK than in the US. Do you think I will put my career on the line for you? Not a chance, lofty.

    The Standard Underwater Medicine Course, which is completed by all RN MOs and quite a few civvies as well, teaches the basics of diving medicine - the rest is in the BR. The standards are different between civvie street and Service diving, hence civvie docs may be more lenient than Service docs.

    It's all academic really - your medical past will be compared to the JSP (guidance) and if you fail, then you fail.
  15. No it's called covering yer arse, you don't understand the subject in sufficient depth or breadth to make a professional "qualified" judgement. Civvy docs are governed by the same legislation as you. They are not more lenient, they just understand the subject better and therefore can make an informed decision, not simply following a flow diagram in an out dated book.

    I expected and I love your "Nuremburg" defence. although you might like to consider that "Rules are there for the guidance of wisemen and the blind obedience of fu*wits".
  16. Hello (another set back)
    i'm currently applying to be a MCD been waiting about 2 years now!
    I've done everything but my peda cuz when i went for my divers medical i told them about a heart murmur i've got.
    I've seen my GP about it he said it is fine, i've seen a hse diving doctor and he said it's fine but because they are civvie doctors i now have to see a navy cardiologist for him to hopefully say the same thing, But that is turning into a big waiting game.
    Can anyone tell me if they think it will be a problem?
    And dose anyone know if there are many peda dates this year as i'm eager to get started when i hopefully get the all clear?

    Thanks Gaz.
  17. You'll need an echocardiogram, which is basically an ultrasound scan of the heart, to make sure there is no structural heart defects. If this is ok, then you're ok.

    As you have probably read from the rest of this thread, the RN is quite particular about diving standards - much moreso than our civilian colleagues. This is because civvy doctors sign people off to dive recreationally - we pay people to dive. If something goes wrong, we are therefore liable - hence tighter standards.
  18. wet_blobby

    wet_blobby War Hero Moderator

    So, dodgy knee and the help flows and you get good advice, you now have a heart murmur. Is it just me smelling bullsh1t or should you just be put down so you dont breed and spread your defects?
  19. Actually WB has it.

    Gaz - stop waffling and focus. You need to be interested in a trade to join the RN - currently you want to be a diver, aircrew and a bootneck. You want your green lid, but also you want to be a diver - so do you want the green lid for any reason other than the colour suits your eyes?

    You need to go and have a chat at the AFCO about what you're actually joining for. The RN will not revolve around you.
  20. Actually, the only people that require "Diving Medicals" iaw government legislation are professional divers. Recreational divers do not need them, anyone who gets paid for diving, ie PADI, or BSAC instructors require full annual medicals.
    The civvy docs are all specialists in underwater medicine and in my experience know a damn site more than our less qualified Navy practioners who merely follow out of date flow diagrams, since the closure of the INM experimental diving specialsist group, sadly the navy has drifted far behind in this area.

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