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  1. Hi there, I've been lurking here for a wee while now.

    I've always been interested in joining the Navy and had a few questions to ask which weren't exactly covered in the RN Medical thing online. Particularly two things I'm wondering about otherwise I'm all good (Hopefully)

    Basically when I was a little kid in pre-school the teachers thought I had Autism because apparently I enjoyed playing with Thomas the Tank Engine a little too much. Something to do with the fact I liked the Trains organized on the tracks or something...Really. So as a 5 year old I was diagnosed Autistic.

    Later on in life I was receiving extra help in School when I really didn't need it, and eventually some Teachers just before I left School at 16 said "Hey, this kid actually might not be Autistic" And I went again to see another Specialist and they claimed it as a Misdiagnosis.

    I'm unsure where this leaves me? Am I PMU because apparently on my NHS Record I'm still Autistic when the NHS called it a Misdiagnosis.

    And another would be myself again being Diagnosed as a child with Asthma, but in my lifetime I have never had an Asthma Attack and I exercise quite regularly (at least 3 times a week) and have done so for the past 10 years without ever feeling like I have Asthma I'm sure if I took an airflow test I would come off it well.

    My last inhaler (Out of 3 in my 20 years of existence) was issued about 2-3 years ago. Due to a severe Chest Infection caused by pushing trolleys for 7.5 hours a day through 3 days of Scottish Winter.

    So that's my other question, never had an issue regarding my apparent asthma even under heavy exercising and having a reliever given to me along with anti-biotics due to a really bad cough from a Chest Infection. NOT to treat Asthma.

    Any information you guys might be able to give me would be hugely appreciated i'll be heading to the AFCO as soon as I am free later next month.

    Cheers! :)
  2. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator


    As with all medical conditions, once labelled & diagnosed, the glue is very sticky. Doctors do not randomly write things on medical records as a rule - the patient or their next of kin will have raised an issue that required diagnosing and, where relevant, treated.

    ASD is unfortunately a bar to entry. If you can prove, with qualified evidence from medical specialist(s) in that field, it may later be worth considering re-applying. Generally, you would not have been diagnosed if there wasn't a problem at the time.

    For asthma, as you are aware, you need to be four years clear of asthma, asthma symptoms & asthma treatment. Arguably, you may well have been displaying asthma signs & prescribed asthma treatment when you had a chest infection but the fact remains, you had a problem breathing, whatever the cause.

    Ultimately, it's the Medical Examiners call, but either of the two conditions listed are a bar to entry for all services, not just the RN. The one you are going to have most difficulty with is ASD, so unless you can address that first, the asthma-free timespan is a moot point, particularly if there is a history of asthma before being again prescribed an inhaler.

    It maybe worth confirming with @nemesis1066 for peace of mind.

    Good luck whatever the outcome.
  3. JCT

    JCT Badgeman

    Piggybacking on this thread. I notice in the Medical Standards for entry, it says you have to be 12 months clear of bone/joint surgery.

    Does this 12 month deferral refer to all forms of surgery, or does it depend on the surgery itself? I just had cosmetic surgery and I'm wondering how long I'll have to wait.
    Last edited: Aug 24, 2014
  4. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Whilst not qualified to give medical advice, my guess would be that it depends on the surgical procedure. Sometimes seemingly minor surgical procedures can have significant underlying implications.

    Again, it's the medical examiner's call, but the rough rule of thumb is twelve months is the norm.
  5. JCT

    JCT Badgeman

    Alright, fair enough. It'll just give me more time to prepare for the Sift/AIB. It'd be madness processing someone who is potentially a liability.

  6. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    To be honest, I'd crack-on with selection because the rules are difficult to gauge - if you donate a kidney, it's 6 months before you can be passed fit. Keyhole surgery on a knee? Twelve months.
  7. Piggybacking also, but I had a fugal infection on my leg a few years back. The doctor/GP gave me a steroid cream which did the job and never had since. I'm guessing this will be on my medical docs but will this be a show stopper?
  8. janner

    janner War Hero Book Reviewer

    It would be of interest to know what was involved with the cosmetic surgery?
  9. JCT

    JCT Badgeman

    Yeah, I've got my medical forms ready to send off, I'll just see what the doc says.
    Gynecomastia surgery. Had man boobs, now I don't. Except it wasn't just fat, it was proper breast tissue caused by hormone imbalances as a teen, making me self-concious. You could say I wrapped my tits in and went for the surgery. ;)
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  11. Thanks for the advice!

    I phoned the GP today and he explained as long as the specialist I saw was happy to write that she didn't believe the diagnosis was correct all those years ago he'd be happy to waive it. And so I phoned the Specialist who said she was happy to write that. So that is one hurdle out of the way for me! :)

    On the issue of Asthma my GP also advised me that my last Inhaler was pretty much 2 years and 8 months ago.
    That's another query I have! I take it that if I go upto 4 years without an Inhaler I'm allowed to begin the Application process beyond getting the initial things done such as the form and watching a wee video.

    Or can I begin the application process before my 4 years is up?

    Thanks for being so helpful :)
  12. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    You can start an application but cannot progress beyond the medical examination until you can be passed fit. In other words, you can sit the test & interview but may well have to repeat the time expired elements when you are able to move the application forward at a later point & the waiting time will again start from scratch upon re-applying.

    The other thing to bear in mind, is if it wasn't ASD, what was the problem and were you in receipt of disability benefits.
  13. Hi. It ought not be too much of a problem unless the diagnosis includes dermatitis, then that will be a lot longer incterms of deferral. Localised infection, that is treated shouldn't be a problem, but just be honest with the Doc
  14. I agree with NS about the ASD. However, if the Docs do refute the original diagnosis then no worries on that point.
    Regading Asthma, you will be scruitinsed as to your respiratory health before a decision is made on your fitness. You will nedd to be 4 years clear of treatment and symptoms, plus have your GP history checked and have pass the assessments. But! Good Luck!!!
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  15. Whilst I'm not a doctor I myself am diagnosed with an SPLD that is not a bar to entry, I have a strong interest in the area (even considered doing a PHD in it). All SPLDs tend to have abit of overlap. I am not diagnosed with autism but I have some characteristics autistic people tend to have (e.g. strong systemizing skills) But ASD is something that can be quite subjective when it comes to diagnosis since alot of it is based purely on questions and behaviourial stuff as opposed to say dyslexia where you do loads of psychometric/IQ style tests.
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  16. I've spent the last week now going through the painstaking process of trying to figure out exactly why I was diagnosed with ASD, and Asthma etc etc.

    I wasn't in receipt of disability benefits

    Accessing my Medical Records with my GP he told me the ASD diagnosis was very "Vague" was the word used. It seemed to have been based entirely on repetitive behaviour as a young child and almost being OCD. But after receiving letters from the Specialist I saw he's told me that I should not worry about it too much as it's now actually on my Medical Records as a misdiagnosis. Not sure how this'll go down Navy wise but we'll see.

    The Asthma thing I'm still slightly unsure about, the last time I had an Inhaler was 3 years ago. I did a test, not sure what it was called...basically blew a few times into a tube at the GP. And I scored way higher than I should have if I had Asthma. I can't say that as a child I didn't have Asthma, I might have been quite short of breath while exercising as a kid and until the past few years through current exercise I do regularly I may have simply increased my exercising capacity without experiencing any Asthma symptoms? That's the issue I have, I may well have Asthma but I'm not sure where it stands in regards to joining the Navy.

    The only way I guess I will know will be waiting a year for the 4 years Inhaler requirement. And joining up and seeing how I get on in the Medical.

    To give myself some peace of mind I've been really pushing myself to the absolute limits this past week with running swimming, push ups and sit ups. Hopefully by being fit enough and clear of Asthma Symptoms for 4 years might actually make me passable. I should mention I have set a few practise runs of the Navy Entrance Requirements running 2.4km etc in under 11 minutes and did quite well.

    Thanks for all the advice guys! Really appreciate it!

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