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Medals for all !

RomanyRanner

Lantern Swinger
I see the South Atlantic qualifying period has been extended to cover post conflict period.
Any lads on here now entitled for a nice shiny SAM?
 

BusterQuin

War Hero
This award (negative rosette) will include the Illustrious task force.
I was on Illustrious in 82, not sure if I'd wear though as no one lobbed any bombs or missiles at us
 
FFS, we used to laugh at septics for their tinsel. WTF is the world coming to?

Edited for anachronism.
 
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I worked with a crab Sgt who had 10, proud to say 3 were freebies and another 4 he lived in a hotel, 2 on board and the last one from Afghan. He also had about 4 he couldn't wear.
 
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Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
If true I feel it is a great pity and a diservice to those who actually fought. Of the seven medals I have, it was the only one I truly felt I earnt. Now that is devalued and worthless.

I don't begrudge it but I do feel it odd to change it and award it to those who never heard a shot fired in anger.

Where will it end, I wonder? Will those of us who returned to UK and went straight back to the South Atlantic that year and on repeat deployments get a bar to the medal? Will the medal now be counted toward the qualifying time toward the Accumulated Campaign Service Medal? Will the LS&GC be awarded to the passing out class at Raleigh? Probably.
 

janner

MIA
Book Reviewer
Stop whinging Nina, during the war with the Viet Cong, I was closer to Vietnam than any of the US Air Groups and I still haven't got a medal, whilst on the subject did I mention the Cuban Crisis? No gong there either. However I do have a Cycle Proficiency Instructors Badge which Monty will be upset to find out about.
 

BusterQuin

War Hero
From the Cabinet Office:
WRITTEN MINISTERIAL STATEMENT
MILITARY MEDALS REVIEW
The Prime Minister appointed Sir John Holmes in April 2012 to conduct an independent review of the policy governing the award of military medals. He issued his report in July 2012, which concluded that the existing guiding principles were reasonably based but that there should be greater readiness to review past decisions. Sir John was therefore commissioned to review independently a number of cases which had been brought to his attention as possible candidates for changed medallic recognition. The aim was to draw a definitive line under issues which in some cases had been controversial for many years, ensuring that consistency and fairness were respected as far as possible, in a context where the judgments are often difficult, but need to be clear and defensible.
This substantial and complex piece of work is now complete. Each of the reviews has been subject to detailed discussion by the Committee on the Grant of Honours, Decorations and Medals and its conclusions submitted for Royal approval. All will be placed in the Libraries of both Houses.
The outcomes where detailed reviews were carried out are listed in the Annex to this statement. Where medallic recognition has been agreed, the Ministry of Defence will issue guidance on how individual claims may be submitted.
Sir John also reviewed the case for a National Defence Medal. An options paper produced by the Cabinet Office will also be placed in the Libraries of both Houses. The Committee on the Grant of Honours, Decorations and Medals is not persuaded that a strong enough case can be made at this time, but has advised that this issue might usefully be reconsidered in the future. In such circumstances, the criteria for the award of a medal would need careful consideration, including length of service, good conduct and the possibility of retrospection. In the meantime, Ministers have agreed that the eligibility requirements for the Long Service and Good Conduct Medal, which is currently awarded only to other ranks and not to officers, should be harmonised for the future.
ANNEX: CLAIMS FOR MEDALLIC RECOGNITION
The Arctic Convoys
There are a number of exceptional circumstances which justify reconsideration of previous decisions not to award a separate medal to those who served on the Arctic Convoys (most received the Atlantic and/or the 1939-45 Star). The issue was not properly considered at the time and the facts previously relied on have been shown to be unsound: the Arctic Convoy operation was a separate campaign from everything that was happening in the Atlantic but it was never considered in that light; and some personnel who served on the Convoys have received no recognition at all. The Arctic Convoy veterans are therefore receiving a new medal called the Arctic Convoy Star.
Bomber Command
Those who served in Bomber Command were treated inconsistently with those who served in Fighter Command, who were awarded a separate clasp for their role in the Battle of Britain. The aircrews of Bomber Command are therefore being awarded a Bomber Command clasp, to be attached to the medal ribbon of the 1939-45 Star (with the insignia “B” attached when the ribbon alone is worn). The service of other aircrews who took part in bombing raids across Europe but who were not part of Bomber Command is fully recognised but does not render them eligible for this specifically Bomber Command clasp.
HMS Concord
Consideration has been given as to whether the crew of HMS Concord should be eligible for the Naval General Service Medal with clasp Yangtze 1949. Other crews who took part in the action in the Yangtze involving a Chinese attack on the RN destroyer HMS Amethyst in 1949 were awarded the clasp. The crew of the Concord, which escorted the Amethyst into international waters at the end of the operation, were not. However there is insufficient reason to overturn this decision, given that the issues appear to have been considered at the time and that, although the Concord entered the river, she was not fired on and was at risk for only a few hours.
Suez
There will be no retrospective issue of a General Service Medal for service in Egypt before 16 October 1951 or between 19 October 1954 and 16 June 1956. There is insufficient evidence to justify overturning the decisions made at the time, as amended following recommendations from Sir Charles Guthrie in 2002.
Korea
There will be no retrospective issue of a British Korea Medal or clasp for service after the ceasefire on 27 July 1953. There was a certain amount of rigour endured at the time, but insufficient risk to warrant the award of a medal.
Aden
There will be no retrospective issue of a General Service Medal for service in Aden between July 1960 and April 1964. There is insufficient evidence to justify overturning the decisions made at the time.
South Atlantic
The qualifying period for the award of the South Atlantic Medal without the Rosette will be extended from 12 July to 21 October 1982. The original decision to end the qualifying period on 12 July 1982 was taken too hastily: those who served beyond that date experienced both risk and rigour until the airfield at Mount Pleasant was completed on 21 October.
Cyprus 1955-59
Those who participated in the suppression of acts of terrorism in Cyprus between 1 April 1955 and 24 December 1959 should qualify for the General Service Medal 1918 – 62 with clasp CYPRUS if they served for 90 days or more. The qualifying period has been reduced from the uniquely long period of 120 days, bringing it into line with the qualifying period for service during the Kenya anti-terrorism campaign.
Cyprus 1963-64
Those servicemen who served in Cyprus during the period 21 December 1963 to 26 March 1964 will be awarded the General Service Medal with clasp “CYPRUS 1963-64”. Their case was not properly considered, if at all, at the time and the requirements for both risk and rigour were met.
Cyprus 1974
Those who served in Cyprus between 15 July and 16 August 1974 will not be awarded the Campaign Service Medal 1962 with a new clasp “CYPRUS 1974”. The requirements for risk and rigour were not met.
Falkland Islands: the “North Campers”
There should be no separate medallic recognition to the Falkland Islanders known as the “North Campers”: it would be divisive to single out individuals from such a small community.
Malta
Consideration was given to awarding those who served on the island, including naval personnel and merchant seamen who reached Malta, for at least one day between 1 June 1940 and 12 May 1943, a small Malta Cross emblem, to be attached to the Africa Star ribbon. The requirements for risk and rigour were met, but it was decided that there was no satisfactory way of distinguishing between the service of those who were on Malta and others involved in the defence of the island in the wider Mediterranean area, particularly naval forces, which meant that clear eligibility criteria could not be established.
Berlin Airlift
The General Service Medal 1918 - 62 with clasp BERLIN AIRLIFT should be awarded for at least one day’s service to all aircrew, RAF and civilian, who took part in the Berlin Airlift operation from 25 June 1948 to 6 October 1949 inclusive. The issue was not properly considered at the time and both the requirements for risk and rigour were met.
Other claims
A number of other claims were considered, but were not considered suitable for detailed review, for a variety of reasons. These will be listed, with brief explanations, in a paper to be laid in the Libraries of both Houses. No other historic claims for medallic recognition will now be reviewed, unless significant new evidence is produced that suggests that an injustice has been done. Revised guidance on the criteria for military campaign medals and other relevant considerations, which will also aid the future consideration of any new claims, will be published by the Cabinet Office
 
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Wightsparker

War Hero
From the Cabinet Office:
WRITTEN MINISTERIAL STATEMENT
MILITARY MEDALS REVIEW


South Atlantic
The qualifying period for the award of the South Atlantic Medal without the Rosette will be extended from 12 July to 21 October 1982. The original decision to end the qualifying period on 12 July 1982 was taken too hastily: those who served beyond that date experienced both risk and rigour until the airfield at Mount Pleasant was completed on 21 October.


Many thanks to BusterQuin for providing the information. The Review appears to have covered a lot of ground, but there are a couple of errors which undermine its overall credibility. In the section covering the South Atlantic, for example, it is simply not true that the airfield at Mount Pleasant was completed on 21 October 1982. It wasn't even a twinkle in a Crab's eye at that time. It's possible that the report was referring to the operational status of RAF STANLEY on or about that date which allowed the use of Phantoms for air defence.

So if that information is faulty, what else is?
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
Whether true or not, I'm not sure, but I seem to remember there were people awarded SAMs whilst based 3,000 miles north of the conflict at Ascension Island during the conflict and again, not sure if it's true, but battlestaff at Northwood in UK also. The Phantoms were operational at Stanley before Lusty left (I think). The warship presence was required for radar cover, not air cover.
 

dapperdunn

War Hero
Book Reviewer
Whether true or not, I'm not sure, but I seem to remember there were people awarded SAMs whilst based 3,000 miles north of the conflict at Ascension Island during the conflict and again, not sure if it's true, but battlestaff at Northwood in UK also.

True. Just go onto the SAMA website and meet a few.
 

BusterQuin

War Hero
The Phantoms were operational at Stanley before Lusty left (I think). The warship presence was required for radar cover, not air cover.
We (Illustrious) were kept on station till Stanley runway had been strengthened and the 4 Phantoms were operational before Jock Slater took us to Puerto Rico, Lauderdale and Philadelphia prior to heading home- all good run ashores
 

castalla

Newbie
Though i only served 6 years 72-78 in Navy, never even got a Silver Jub Medal, only for the selected few, it should be for all or non, served in the private sector of the Prison service (8 years left a few years ago) but to my Knowledge it was only public sector people issued with Gold jub medal, just goes to show time served doe´s not mean anything.
 
Though i only served 6 years 72-78 in Navy, never even got a Silver Jub Medal, only for the selected few, it should be for all or non, served in the private sector of the Prison service (8 years left a few years ago) but to my Knowledge it was only public sector people issued with Gold jub medal, just goes to show time served doe´s not mean anything.

If things were different you could have had a full set neggers coronation one

https://www.thetoyeshop.com/media/c...d27136e95/d/i/diamond_jubilee_medal_close.jpg
 
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RomanyRanner

Lantern Swinger
True. Just go onto the SAMA website and meet a few.

Almost. Yes there were lads in the Ascension who received a non rosette medal. But it's an urban myth that anyone in the UK received a South Atlantic Medal. Been beaten to death in various forums. A few BEMs ect were handed out. Anyone wearing a SAM for services in the UK is nothing more than a Walt.
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
The Ledbury, Brecon & St Helena case is reminiscent of the sweepers following the Suez crisis. Similarly we still deal with WW2 ordnance but don't routinely award campaign medals after a conflict has ended, usually. As a matter of interest, I wonder if the Gulf War medal was awarded for the mine clearance in Kuwait, post conflict?
 

Blackrat

War Hero
Moderator
Book Reviewer
Whether true or not, I'm not sure, but I seem to remember there were people awarded SAMs whilst based 3,000 miles north of the conflict at Ascension Island during the conflict and again, not sure if it's true, but battlestaff at Northwood in UK also. The Phantoms were operational at Stanley before Lusty left (I think). The warship presence was required for radar cover, not air cover.

I believe that some chaps, who were at Northwood during Granby, received the medal but without the bar. Not sure if that was a duty rumour though. (As mentioned above. However, there are a few gongs i've seen without the bar/clasp)
 

wave_dodger

MIA
Book Reviewer
It's interesting (of sorts) I always wondered why Officers never got a form of LS&GC but then Reserve Officer did with the RD(RD*).

NOT that I particularly want or need more bling
 
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