ME Dept shake up and the passing of the stoker...

To all the serving ME non-tifffies (and anyone else whos got a view) whats your thoughts on the switch to ET?
Pesonally coming off killicks course now and having to qualify shutdown and EP's or Upper Level doesnt sit well. Not when i was looking forward to four or five more years doing same job for killicks wages. Also sat in the mess with a killick dabber (no offence) on same pay band when we could be in 'A' looking after a hot pressurised plant. Cant help but ponder whether its all worth it?...
 
As a skimmer I don't know what the score is with submariners and ET, however, I do know that I won't be changing to ET, hahahahaha :D
 
Same as it has been for ever in the mob. They change what they want.
You do have options though,

Request to submit 12 months notice W.E.F. [todays date]
In 12 months it will all just seem like a bad dream.

Sarcasm aside, I doo feel sorry for you, if the WEM branch hadn't been screwed with I might still be in now.............maybe...
 

scabz

Lantern Swinger
Two_Clips_Two_Pins said:
Pesonally coming off killicks course now and having to qualify shutdown and EP's or Upper Level doesnt sit well. Not when i was looking forward to four or five more years doing same job for killicks wages.
I think you've put your finger on it there, the MESM branch had lost its way a bit, IMHO. Killick stokers doing the same job as MEM1s (or 2s, even) and killick tiffs, what were they about? POs were as rare as rocking horse do ..... and yet there were loads of button tiffs running around.
I think the ET(MESM) is an attempt to try to spread the workload across the branch. As I read it, there will be a great difference (at last, some say) between the AB and Leading Hand, where the killick MESM will get respect and responsibility that he's earnt.
The jobs and training will be better aligned to a "more sensible" progression through rates. Good idea? I dunno. Better than what there is now? Probably.
 
Thanks for your views guys.Maybe im cynical but no changes ive ever ecountered in the mob are to the benefit of the individual. Bringing responsibilities down a level (PO's rather than chiefs on the RP for example) , only serves the navy in the sense that pinch points and gapped billets at chief levels are alleviated due to there being a larger pool of manpower at lower rates. I know, pick my branch, take my chance and all that... :lol:
 

kingoftwigs

War Hero
It all goes back to my theory that the navy wants to do away with the senior rate middle management by delegating tasks down to lower paid rates. In my opinion it is all cost cutting and unfortunately, as always, it is aimed at the wrong place.
 
Going slightly off topic here,I know a certain ship where there is only one ET(WE) at the moment but now they are having the OM's doing the same job but they havent done any of the basic training at Collingwood that the ET's do ?

Call me old fashioned but when I was a Skimmer (before I saw the light )we had a mess of 60 Greenies on the Antrim !!
Just cant get my head around half the stuff that is happening to the Pusser at the moment !! :shock:
 

Beztheclanky

Midshipman
Its a money saving exercise for sure, and not just in terms of
wages. I think the powers that be are more interested in saving on pensions. Also, killicks are in the same watchkeeping unions as MEM1s (2s) but they don't really do the same job during maintenance cycles.
theres still a need for sprog killick tiffs, someones got to carry the stokers tools and make the wets,
 
Hadnt though of it that way till you mentioned it..whats the shutdown Jr watchbill going to be like it you take the killicks out of it :shock: the lads have a bad enough time already and now their lookin at halving there numbers, not sure how this is going to pan out. Anybody heard anything else on this.
 
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