Wow, get in the shit and you find who your mates are, I've had "mates" who I've known for 10+ years, and employed who have turned around and shit on me when the going gets tough. Shame really because what goes around comes around. I value the word trust. Doing what I do (did) I had a terrible summer but I paid all the guys that worked for me, O.K, some wages where late but I made it my mission to pay everyone, people who are members here will vouch for that. I have now been shat on, that doesn't bother me to much but me missus, is distraught, she has been shat on by so called friends and is very tearful and upset........wrong move. Interesting times ahead, but, never trust a civvy, their moto is "me, myself and I"