Management in the Fleet Air Arm

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  1. I am doing a business degree and currently working on management theories and people in management.

    Do people on here think management do a good job or not (this could apply to all in the RN)
    The management on the Navy strike wing is diabolical at the moment, too many people trying to better themselves for promotion and not caring about the little people caught up in the crossfire
  2. chieftiff

    chieftiff War Hero Moderator

    Are you talking about leadership or management? Lead people v's manage resources. If you choose to manage people by treating them as a resource failure is inevitable because people don't like to be shuffled around like bits of paper, the key to leading people on the other hand is communication..................... Just a thought!
  3. on a different track i am so glad that on the demise of 800/801/899 i got out of the harrier loop.

    everything seems to have gone to rat-shit. i cant beleive that here arent some very strong characters at CPO and WO2 level fighting for our corner of real-estate.

    although i do miss the comaraderie of a NAS i dont miss the shite being imparted by old colleagues.

    someboy tell me it aint true
  4. One excellent rule of management, is to keep the 50% of people that hate you, away from the 50% that are undecided. :w00t:
  5. A large part of the troubles of all 3 Services is that we have too many managers and too few leaders!

    Now what was the question?
  6. Which behavioural and strategic models are you using to frame the study in?

    And who do you mean by the management? Presumably LH upwards?

    All the best with the course though, business knowledge is something sadly lacking in the service at the moment, particularly at the higher levels.

    If you're going to use the NSW as the basis for your assignments then I'd avoid being quite as explicit until you can justify that.... ;)
  7. Flynavy

    I am sure that this has been put on before but it may held if only to bring a bit of humour to your degree studies.


    Management Course in 3 minutes

    Lesson 1
    A man is getting into the shower just as his wife is finishing up her
    shower, when the doorbell rings. The wife quickly wraps herself in a
    towel and runs downstairs. When she opens the door, there stands Bob,
    the next-door neighbor. Before she says a word, Bob says, "I'll give you
    $800 to drop that towel." After thinking for a moment, the woman drops
    her towel and stands naked in front of Bob. After a few seconds, Bob
    hands her $800
    and leaves. The woman wraps back up in the towel and goes back upstairs.
    When she gets to the bathroom, her husband asks, "Who was that?"
    "It was Bob the next door neighbor," she replies. "Great!" the husband
    says, "did he say anything about the $800 he owes me?"

    Lesson of the story: If you share critical information pertaining to
    credit and risk with your shareholders in time, you may be in a position
    to prevent avoidable exposure .

    Lesson 2
    A priest offered a Nun a lift. She got in and crossed her legs, forcing
    her gown to reveal a leg. The priest nearly had an accident. After
    controlling the car, he stealthily slid his hand up her leg. The nun
    said, "Father, remember Psalm 129?" The priest removed his hand. But,
    changing gears, he let his hand slide up her leg again. The nun once
    again said,
    "Father, remember Psalm 129?" The priest apologized "Sorry sister but
    the flesh is weak." Arriving at the convent, the nun went on her way.
    On his arrival at the church, the priest rushed to look up Psalm 129. It
    said, "Go forth and seek, further up, you will find glory."

    Lesson of the story: If you are not well informed in your job, you might
    miss a great opportunity.

    Lesson 3
    A sales rep, an administration clerk, and the manager are walking to
    lunch when they find an antique oil lamp. They rub it and a Genie comes
    out. The Genie says, "I'll give each of you just one wish." Me first! Me
    first!" says the admin clerk. "I want to be in the Bahamas ,
    driving a speedboat, without a care in the world." Puff! She's gone.
    Me next! Me next!" says the sales rep. "I want to be in Hawaii ,
    relaxing on the beach with my personal masseuse, an endless supply of
    Pina Coladas and the love of my life." Puff! He's gone.
    "OK, you're up," the Genie says to the manager. The manager says, "I
    want those two back in the office after lunch."

    Lesson of the story: Always let your boss have the first say.

    Lesson 4
    An eagle was sitting on a tree resting, doing nothing. A small rabbit
    saw the eagle and asked him, "Can I also sit like you and do nothing?"
    The eagle answered: "Sure, why not." So, the rabbit sat on the ground
    below the eagle and rested. All of a sudden, a fox appeared, jumped on
    the rabbit and ate it.

    Lesson of the story: To be sitting and doing nothing, you must be sitting
    very, very high up.

    Lesson 5
    A turkey was chatting with a bull. "I would love to be able to get to
    the top of that tree," sighed the turkey, "but I haven't got the
    energy." Well, why don't you nibble on some of my droppings?" replied
    the bull. They're packed with nutrients." The turkey pecked at a lump of
    dung, and found it actually gave him enough strength to reach the lowest
    branch of the tree.
    The next day, after eating some more dung, he reached the second branch.
    Finally after a fourth night, the turkey was proudly perched at the top
    of the tree. He was promptly spotted by a farmer, who shot him out of
    the tree.

    Lessaon of the story: Bullshit might get you to the top, but it won't keep
    you there.

    Lesson 6
    A little bird was flying south for the winter. It was so cold the bird
    froze and fell to the ground into a large field. While he was lying
    there, a cow came by and dropped some dung on him. As the frozen bird
    lay there in the pile of cow dung, he began to realize how warm he was.
    The dung was actually thawing him out! He lay there all warm and happy,
    and soon began to sing for joy. A passing cat heard the bird singing and
    came to investigate. Following the sound, the cat discovered the bird
    under the pile of cow dung, and promptly dug him out and ate him.

    Lesson of the story:
    (1) Not everyone who shits on you is your enemy
    (2) Not everyone who gets you out of shit is your friend
    (3) And when you're in deep shit, it's best to keep your mouth shut!

    This ends the 3-minute management course.

  8. Examiner to RN officer candidate at Dartmouth BRNC
    "Are you any good at making decisions"
    Office candidate, "Well, eer, yes and no
    Examiner "Youve just passed the naval officers leadership test"
  9. Amusing from anyone else but boringly predictable coming from you (other examples below). When did your obsessive dislike of naval officers take over your life? Do you ever think of anything else and, in the circumstances, shouldn't you consider seeking help?
  10. It seems fairly obvious to me that old Huffers has been badly let down by many of the officer class during his service career. Could it just be possible that instead of him seeking help a little more civility towards the lower deck by officers may just help his situation. I speak of course as an old fart who has been out over 20 years but in my time certainly experiences the type of occifer that Huffers is referring too.
  11. Here's are two questions your lecturers are never going to a) ask you, b) expect you to ask them:

    Why on earth would one want a theory of management? What work would such a theory do ?

    (and that's just assuming you have a theory rather than a bucket full of theories) Enjoy :dwarf:
  12. leadership or management, it all boils down to communication,
    can remember sitting in the clearway of a fort boat waiting to detatch ashore and not knowing what was going on only to see the officers walking ashore to get on the bus.
    never thought to tell the 40 lads that were going with them
  13. what people need to be remember is many of our superiours and those pushing the holographic paper around, can and in most case have a view to the whole picture, so their managment and leadership decissions are made the best of what is available at the time. ( a valueabale lesson i learnt when i was in an HQ job) it those below that these actions effect dont always have the full picture they can and quite often do voice loudly that it was wrong.

    many of the "management" in the RN do appear at present to be lining their own pockets for that extra ring, or directorship on discharge (why not, if i had the chance i would) some just need to remember who is paying their wages at the moment and take on the reponsibility that the rank and wage bring with it.
  14. Take 848 NAS's new watch system for example. Every, and I mean EVERY engineer that I have spoken to about it absolutely hates it. Over complicated etc etc. Yet will the management take heed? We shall see what effect it has on morale (over air day it was obvious to outsiders).
  15. Daz, there are a few that actually like the new watch system, esp the weekenders.

    But like all watch systems to make it work well you need to keep everyone happy, wind the clock back 2 summers ago in a far off place and the watch system that was worked there, the managment loved that because they maintained their 24 about.

    The new breed of AEOs are set on ******* with the watch routines (something that must have heard in AEO school) But it will get to a point that it will work because the morale and attitudes will fall to such a point that the guys and girls will do it because thay have to.
  16. Will be interesting to see what we are told to work on Herrick, with the one flight deployed. I've formulated a two watch system, possibly with a duty nights crew each night from the watch.
  17. could be very interesting well not for you guys that are having to work what ever dream they come up with this time, but if you find you do dip in, you will need to keep it away from the aircrew because thats how it all starts you cannot have the aircrew seeing the engineers happy and dipping in

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