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"Man dead in suspected terror attack"

Rachelthree

War Hero
Why do they give them airtime though? I might stand corrected as I try and avoid the BBC- but do they give much air time to the EDL and other radical groups? I am all for freedom of speech, but it seems that there was no need to the BBC to broadcast this and question him, what did it achieve? **** all useful. I also find his ideology that this particular man deserved what he got because of other events that have happened absolutely diisgusting that he feels it this loss was deserved with him taking the brunt of a disaproval at foreign policy. Can't even...
 
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guestm

Guest
Why do they give them airtime though? I might stand corrected as I try and avoid the BBC- but do they give much air time to the EDL and other radical groups? I am all for freedom of speech, but it seems that there was no need to the BBC to broadcast this and question him, what did it achieve? **** all.

Yes they do.

It's the same reason the Mail and Express exist. Outrage and idiocy = viewers / readers / ratings.

If you've ever met anyone that works in TV, you've met one of satan's very own minions.

I also find his ideology that this particular man deserved what he got because of other events that have happened absolutely diisgusting that he feels it this loss was deserved with him taking the brunt of a disaproval at foreign policy. Can't even...

Yep, something that a lot of people should also bear in mind when blaming the Muslim family down the street for what happened in Woolwich.
 
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Rachelthree

War Hero
Fair one, never seen the EDL mangina on my telly box (thankfully) myself but nice to see them airing further bigoted views. Agreed with all you said though, seems bizarre that some genuinely feel that 2 men somehow acted on behalf of a whole section of society to share the same religious beliefs.
 

Flagdeck

War Hero
Fair one, never seen the EDL mangina on my telly box (thankfully) myself but nice to see them airing further bigoted views. Agreed with all you said though, seems bizarre that some genuinely feel that 2 men somehow acted on behalf of a whole section of society to share the same religious beliefs.

The knuckle draggers of the EDL also believe they're acting on behalf of the white population (how bizarre is that?)..........The two scumbags in this drama wanted to achieve martyrdom by waiting for the police to arrive then charge at them threateningly, hoping for 'suicide by police shooting'....also bizarre....to us......anyway, they dipped out there.
 

Rachelthree

War Hero
The knuckle draggers of the EDL also believe they're acting on behalf of the white population (how bizarre is that?).

Well it is bizarre to me as well, although it might be their aim to speak for an entire race it's evident that not all of the white population is in agreeance with them. I just find it weird whichever way its swung, that people assume a small number of individuals to be acting on behalf of everyone and being the definitive voice for entire sections of society. But then again people are bizarre so makes sense by not making sense...
 

Flagdeck

War Hero
Well it is bizarre to me as well, although it might be their aim to speak for an entire race it's evident that not all of the white population is in agreeance with them. I just find it weird whichever way its swung, that people assume a small number of individuals to be acting on behalf of everyone and being the definitive voice for entire sections of society. But then again people are bizarre so makes sense by not making sense...

Nowt so queer as folk............(am I allowed to use that word ?)
 

flymo

War Hero
Fair one, never seen the EDL mangina on my telly box (thankfully) myself but nice to see them airing further bigoted views. Agreed with all you said though, seems bizarre that some genuinely feel that 2 men somehow acted on behalf of a whole section of society to share the same religious beliefs.

You'll find that analogy in the mob too. A couple of people will fcuk up somewhere and the whole ship's company will suffer.
 

Blackrat

War Hero
Moderator
Book Reviewer
Just to give you all an update.

Those close to Riggers have asked me to thank you all for your kind words and messages. It means a lot to them and they are extremely grateful for all the support they have received thus far. A big thanks from me as well.
 

Flagdeck

War Hero
Just to give you all an update.

Those close to Riggers have asked me to thank you all for your kind words and messages. It means a lot to them and they are extremely grateful for all the support they have received thus far. A big thanks from me as well.

Its very good of you to give us feedback BR.....much appreciated.
 

Taloolah

Banned
That's some dangerous road to travel but I understand your thinking. Quite a few people have been arrested in the past for comments posted on twitter, Facebook and even spoken words in airports. A lot of those people were apparently joking. We all know the bloke in the pub that's a bit of a loon who says things he'll never do, we've all said 'I'd love to kill him' from time to time, etc.

It's a tiny gap between a genuine threat saying the number 41 bus is going to get it and someone threaders in a coffee shop jokingly expressing their desire to blow up their office block.

How tightly do we restrict ourselves for the sake of safety? Taking away freedom of speech and having to worry about what you say and who is listening is going some way to changing the way we live our day to day lives, ergo starting down the path to losing this very battle.

Whilst understanding the sentiments and points of discussion I would say that using a future grammatical tense to describe loss of free speech is futile.It's already happened for some groups in society at least, hence the tensions now.

Loss of free of speech has been insidiously established for some years to the point it's become unrecognisable. Very cleverly done because it appears as though we can have discussions in society- only you try introducing certain topics and watch the sparks fly.That isn't freedom.

It would not be impossible to prove with sufficient repetition and a psychological understanding of the people concerned that a square is in fact a circle. They are mere words, and words can be molded until they clothe ideas and disguise.”
Joseph Goebbels.



When one group has been allowed on a weekly basis to preach racial hatred on a cordoned-off street of London protected by police, yet another protest group condemned for retaliating, what the hell can we expect ?
 

Taloolah

Banned
....Considering today's climate where someone is bound to take offence, I suppose I should add a disclaimer.The Goebbels quote doesn't mean I agree with his politics, it refers to the use of propaganda as a means of control.
 

Taloolah

Banned
I am sick and tired of sitting on the fence listening to the PC 3 of RR. I really would love to see your comments had you spent some time in these guys home countries (before they were given asylum) I make no bones of it I make a nice living working in their home nations, but do not believe that I am ever shown any modicum of respect, I am tolerated at best (I make them money) but I do play by their rules when in their country, no complaints, so why do we as Brits bend over backwards and hand out lube to let all and sundry shaft us?

Allelujah.
But do be careful RabC.The censors are on the warparth.
 
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guestm

Guest
Allelujah.
But do be careful RabC.The censors are on the warparth.

He hasn't been censored, hence his quote which is days old still being here. You were for the reasons at the bottom of this post.

Your typically one sided comment on hate preaching I'll counter with you haven't listened to (or choose to ignore) the EDL and their ilk, who are allowed to spew their horrific bile (as is their right, however much I disagree) and only suffer arrest when they feel that shouting nasty things isn't enough and resort to punching coppers and putting windows in.

Your comment on free speech is erroneous too, 'sparks flying' at discussion is not the same as being taken into custody for saying the wrong thing. Being called a dick for being a racist is not having your free speech taken away. It's being challenged, correctly. In the wake of this murder, there are yet more mistruth's being peddled regarding the evil in our society, I'm comforted by the fact that not everyone in the world is a reactionary, finger pointing underpant. Despite all the duty national heroes taking to the streets to kick mosque doors in, normal people rightly condemn the moronic actions of that minority, that's right, those white people causing bother in 'our name' are a vast minority and aren't representing the majority no matter what their pea sized brains A) think and B) say. Sound familiar?

It amuses me greatly that the far right or just plain hideously bigoted members of society play the free speech / racist card at every possible turn, it's the 2013 version of saying "is it because I'm black?" Hilariously ironic. Being persecuted by the 'PC Brigade'*

*apparently, anyone with a modicum of intelligence and a big picture mentality.

I'll also refrain from comment on your Joseph Goebbels quote, despite your protestations of its innocence. You've just declared Godwin's law on yourself. Amazing.

Edited to add: you yourself were censored due to using an unacceptable and incorrect term for the attackers in the immediate wake of the event. The last thing we need is a journo quoting you mistakenly as a member of the Forces throwing out xenophobic remarks.
 
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Taloolah

Banned
He hasn't been censored, hence his quote which is days old still being here. You were for the reasons at the bottom of this post.

Your typically one sided comment on hate preaching I'll counter with you haven't listened to (or choose to ignore) the EDL and their ilk, who are allowed to spew their horrific bile (as is their right, however much I disagree) and only suffer arrest when they feel that shouting nasty things isn't enough and resort to punching coppers and putting windows in.

Your comment on free speech is erroneous too, 'sparks flying' at discussion is not the same as being taken into custody for saying the wrong thing. Being called a dick for being a racist is not having your free speech taken away. It's being challenged, correctly. In the wake of this murder, there are yet more mistruth's being peddled regarding the evil in our society, I'm comforted by the fact that not everyone in the world is a reactionary, finger pointing underpant. Despite all the duty national heroes taking to the streets to kick mosque doors in, normal people rightly condemn the moronic actions of that minority, that's right, those white people causing bother in 'our name' are a vast minority and aren't representing the majority no matter what their pea sized brains A) think and B) say. Sound familiar?

It amuses me greatly that the far right or just plain hideously bigoted members of society play the free speech / racist card at every possible turn, it's the 2013 version of saying "is it because I'm black?" Hilariously ironic. Being persecuted by the 'PC Brigade'*

*apparently, anyone with a modicum of intelligence and a big picture mentality.

I'll also refrain from comment on your Joseph Goebbels quote, despite your protestations of its innocence. You've just declared Godwin's law on yourself. Amazing.

Edited to add: you yourself were censored due to using an unacceptable and incorrect term for the attackers in the immediate wake of the event. The last thing we need is a journo quoting you mistakenly as a member of the Forces throwing out xenophobic remarks.

Monty, I am sorry you felt the need to take this so personally.Again.

Congratulations on the political correctness of your stance- it must be such a comfort to imagine yourself as the voice of reason when actually you are merely bleating the party line. Falling into exactly the trap I've mentioned.:clap:

'Godwin's law on self'. What utter rubbish.Nazi 1930's propaganda- and it's dangers- is a topic I've had to deal with recently. If you had bothered reading the context you'd see that.



'The last thing we need is a journo quoting you mistakenly as a member of the Forces throwing out xenophobic remarks'.
Isn't that just the point though? Your main concern being media representation.What does that tell us about the ability to speak freely.

Do tell- what is your opinion on certain characters preaching racial hatred against 'Infidels'?

I find it sadly unsurprising how condemnation of the EDL (a protest group set up in response to a lack of moderate political response towards radical religion ) is rife without due criticism levied against........the 'other' team.

On a final note, I'd like to put your assumed claim of 'Racism' to bed - sorry to disappoint, but that's impossible for you to substantiate when I can include both an Egyptian (Coptic Christian) and Jamaican men as long-term partners.:smooch:
 
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guestm

Guest
Monty, I am sorry you felt the need to take this so personally.Again.

Oh I don't take it personally, I just enjoy combating ignorance with intellect, balance and reason.
Congratulations on the political correctness of your stance- it must be such a comfort to imagine yourself as the voice of reason when actually you are merely bleating the party line. Falling into exactly the trap I've mentioned.:clap: .

Not a bright statement is it? My failure to condemn an entire culture means I've been brainwashed into toe-ing a party line?

'Godwin's law on self'. What utter rubbish.Nazi 1930's propaganda- and it's dangers- is a topic I've had to deal with recently. If you had bothered reading the context you'd see that..

Context be damned, you do yourself no favours quoting Joseph Goebbels. You're subtly brilliant in your self parody.

'The last thing we need is a journo quoting you mistakenly as a member of the Forces throwing out xenophobic remarks'.
Isn't that just the point though? Your main concern being media representation.What does that tell us about the ability to speak freely.

Our concern was the media tarring us (The Forces) as morons thanks to your use of insulting and incorrect terminology when you don't speak for us. We (The Forces) have a zero tolerance policy when it comes to racism. Flame fanning doesn't help. We don't need a tub thumping civvy giving out text that lowers our collective IQ by half in one sentence.

Do tell- what is your opinion on certain characters preaching racial hatred against 'Infidels'?


They're ********* too, I can't stand racism, bigotry or ignorance no matter what language it's spoken or from what section of society it originates.



I find it sadly unsurprising how condemnation of the EDL (a protest group set up in response to a lack of moderate political response towards radical religion ) is rife without due criticism levied against........the 'other' team.
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Firstly, the EDL should be condemned and thankfully are. They're not a protest group, they're morons failingly operating under the loose cover of patriotism.

Secondly, read better papers / news sites. 'The other team' have been on the receiving ends of just as much scorn. Mongs on both sides, helping no-one other than their own misguided sense of justice.

I treat UAF, the IDL and others with exactly the same contempt. Rabble rousing, bewilderingly stupid drones who mistakenly believe they're the voice of the voiceless and are frankly only out for a ruck.

On a final note, I'd like to put your assumed claim of 'Racism' to bed - sorry to disappoint, but that's impossible for you to substantiate when I can include both an Egyptian (Coptic Christian) and Jamaican men as long-term partners.:smooch:

I didn't call you a racist. Thanks for the traditional "I can't be a bigot because....." Trope though.
 

xchiefcook

Lantern Swinger
Rightly or wrongly attributed in 2010 / 2011 to Prime Minister Julia Gillard - Australia. (Taken from GOOGLE)It makes interesting reading, whilst most may agree with the comments im sure some will disagree, i think it would sum up the thoughts of the majority of decnt law abiding people in the UK........Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia , as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.Separately, Gillard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying she supported spy agencies monitoring the nation’s mosques.Quote: ‘IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It.“I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians. ‘This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom’ We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society . Learn the language!’‘Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture. ‘We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.’‘This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, ‘THE RIGHT TO LEAVE‘.’‘If you aren’t happy here then LEAVE. We didn’t force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.’......STANDING BY FOR POSSIBLE INCOMING !!!
 
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