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"Man dead in suspected terror attack"

AAF

War Hero
On a final note, I'd like to put your assumed claim of 'Racism' to bed - sorry to disappoint, but that's impossible for you to substantiate when I can include both an Egyptian (Coptic Christian) and Jamaican men as long-term partners.:smooch:

No it is not Taloolah, peeps choose their lovers for many different reasons.
 
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guestm

Guest
Rightly or wrongly attributed in 2010 / 2011 to Prime Minister Julia Gillard - Australia. (Taken from GOOGLE)It makes interesting reading, whilst most may agree with the comments im sure some will disagree, i think it would sum up the thoughts of the majority of decnt law abiding people in the UK........Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia , as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.Separately, Gillard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying she supported spy agencies monitoring the nation’s mosques.Quote: ‘IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It.“I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians. ‘This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom’ We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society . Learn the language!’‘Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture. ‘We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.’‘This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, ‘THE RIGHT TO LEAVE‘.’‘If you aren’t happy here then LEAVE. We didn’t force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.’......STANDING BY FOR POSSIBLE INCOMING !!!

Wrongly attributed. Written by some USAF vet and edited to meet the needs of an agenda. Attributed to Gillard / Howard in attempt to give it credibility.
 

xchiefcook

Lantern Swinger
The post i put on previously was not to attribute it to anyone...... but more along the lines of the content of it.. this is our country we live here, if you want to come here (although i appreciate it wont have anything concerns for the "Home grown Idiots") accept our country and our way of life.
 

Dredd

War Hero
Super Moderator
And can easily be found out to be a hoax just by cunning use of Google - example below:

Prime Minister Howard - Muslims Out Of Australia

BZ in getting your ire stirred by untruths though. Faceache and other "social" media are rife with this sort of bollox and it says more about the people who promote it in that they 1) are so ready to believe it to be true and 2) fail to do any sort of research on a subject before chucking in their tuppence worth.

Goes to show, universal education has a way to go yet until a whole society can actually claim to be educated!
 

Dredd

War Hero
Super Moderator
The post i put on previously was not to attribute it to anyone...... but more along the lines of the content of it.. this is our country we live here, if you want to come here (although i appreciate it wont have anything concerns for the "Home grown Idiots") accept our country and our way of life.

I find your explanation a little suspect actually. The whole reason people use these "quotes" is to give their views some form of legitimacy. If you had said that the chair of the local WRI (now just plain RI) had said that, it would simply not have had the clout you wanted it to have.

That Australia has some of the most stringent immigration laws in the world is well known. To imply that this means that they purport racist ideals does not follow and to ascribe such ridiculous quotes to their politicians is a mis-use that is actually worse than using bits of the Bible or Koran to support your own jaundiced viewpoint. At least they exist, they are just being mis-interpreted, wilfully or otherwise.
 

shellbackmac

Lantern Swinger
Ptiy these scumbags didn't attempt this outside Pompey Dockyard at secure or when the hooter goes in Guz at 1600. The pair of c*nts would have been trampled to f*cking death.Either flattened by a jan dockies moped or thirsty matelots making for the PT resembling the Isle Of Mans coat of arms....
 

flymo

War Hero
Ptiy these scumbags didn't attempt this outside Pompey Dockyard at secure or when the hooter goes in Guz at 1600. The pair of c*nts would have been trampled to f*cking death.Either flattened by a jan dockies moped or thirsty matelots making for the PT resembling the Isle Of Mans coat of arms....

Jan Dockies in DCS? Outrageous... :)
 

Seadog

War Hero
Moderator
Taloolah raged ( last week but I've not been around much)
Heard the news coming in,victim is a soldier and was decapitated.Two men proceeded to charge towards the police who shot at them but not to kill. Why the fcuk not is the question ? Afraid of local reprisals or want to squeeze as much info out of 'God is Good' before a court case lets them go on 'humanitarian grounds' or fear of torture if they are deported ?

How do you know that the police did not shoot to kill? Just because the suspects ( as they remain) didn't die as a result of 8 (?) rounds discharged - how many hit ? - doesn't mean that the police shot to tickle. The suspects may have been wearing body armour. Anyway the cops had a better view and appreciation of the threat and the scene than the internet CSIs and CQB instructors. In your experience of being authorised to carry a loaded firearm perhaps you could tell us.........oh, wait.

As for deporting them, you may have noticed by now, both were born in the UK.

Going off half cocked is a recipe for failure in any undertaking, including trying to establish yourself as a thinking poster.
As with all posting in serious threads, facts are preferable to ill-informed speculation. Opinions are fine so long as they are not presented as facts. Rants just remind me of extremists and babbling loonies of all kinds, even if upper case is not abused.
 

xchiefcook

Lantern Swinger
I find your explanation a little suspect actually. The whole reason people use these "quotes" is to give their views some form of legitimacy. If you had said that the chair of the local WRI (now just plain RI) had said that, it would simply not have had the clout you wanted it to have.

That Australia has some of the most stringent immigration laws in the world is well known. To imply that this means that they purport racist ideals does not follow and to ascribe such ridiculous quotes to their politicians is a mis-use that is actually worse than using bits of the Bible or Koran to support your own jaundiced viewpoint. At least they exist, they are just being mis-interpreted, wilfully or otherwise.


So DREDD, just tell me why you find my explanation "A Little Suspect", is it because I live in a country where we bend over backwards to accommodate different creeds, colours, genders etc etc, not once did I spout any of the racist bollox that others on here shout off about, if you read my post correctly, I said initially, "rightly or wrongly attributed etc etc" not once did I quote twatface or any other (un)social media site. I was merely commenting on the content. Yes you can come and live here in our country, however abide by the laws that govern our land. as for "Homegrown Idiots" I doubt that we will ever stop them. Just like you who have your point of view.... I have mine. So take your suspicious head off. Rant over.... (no doubt you will reply to this post out of context as you did my previous). Good Day !!
 

Sharkey

Banned
Taloolah raged ( last week but I've not been around much)


How do you know that the police did not shoot to kill? Just because the suspects ( as they remain) didn't die as a result of 8 (?) rounds discharged - how many hit ? -

I dont know much about guns other than what I read, and I have read that modern weapons tend to kill no matter where you are hit, dont know if thats right, also, would who ever is shooting be able to shoot to wound or is it aim for the body and shoot untill they are no longer a threat
 

WreckerL

War Hero
Super Moderator
It's not just the firearm Sharkey, it depends on the charge in the bullet. Air Marshalls have low velocity ammunition as you don't want a high velocity round whanging around an aircraft. I don't know what type of ammunition the police were using but as there was a lot of the general public around and the fact 8 shots were fired and nobody else hit (as far as I know), I think the police did pretty well personally.
 
Standard weapon is 5.56mm Heckler Koch, I dont think any organisation be it special forces or elite police sevices ever operate a policy of shoot to maim or disable once the decision to take the shot its most certainly to kill. If any of you guys have ever had the misfortune to have to fire a weapon in a hostile environment you will know that no amount of training can fully prepare you for the first time you have to fire a weapon in a situation like the female officer encountered, trust me the poor girl would have been shaking like a shitting dog in that sort of situation, imo she did a good job I can't say if I would have done any better. Brave girl and a credit to the force
 

Seadog

War Hero
Moderator
Stan,
It's a long time since I used - for familiarisation purposes only- an HK MP5 but I seem to recall it was chambered for 9mm, not 5.56mm. And the coppers doing the shooting last week appeared -from my vantage point on the interweb - to be using side arms which are, according to the Met's own site are Glock 17s.
 
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guestm

Guest
Stan,
It's a long time since I used - for familiarisation purposes only- an HK MP5 but I seem to recall it was chambered for 9mm, not 5.56mm. And the coppers doing the shooting last week appeared -from my vantage point on the interweb - to be using side arms which are, according to the Met's own site are Glock 17s.

On the videos and pictures, at least one officer does appear to have an MP5, which is indeed 9mm. The rest have sidearms as above.
 
Stan,
It's a long time since I used - for familiarisation purposes only- an HK MP5 but I seem to recall it was chambered for 9mm, not 5.56mm. And the coppers doing the shooting last week appeared -from my vantage point on the interweb - to be using side arms which are, according to the Met's own site are Glock 17s.
I bow to your superior knowledge, didn't really trawl through the internet because the whole episode was a bit too upsetting. I think your corect it may well be 9mm therefore probably lower velocity than the 5.56mm and as for pistols notoriously difficult to fire accurately at any distance further than 20 - 30 metres and when stressed even more so.
 

sgtpepperband

War Hero
Book Reviewer
Stan: You've assumed that the FSU officers that attended the incident were "stressed" and the female officer present was "shaking like a shitting dog"? How would you know what their state of mind was? If FSU officers were stressed about the prospect of using their weapons in a hostile environment like that, then they would be removed from frontline duties.

As it happens, the female officer has significant operational experience, which includes engaging with lethal force. A 'shaking dog' she is most definitely not!
 

Dredd

War Hero
Super Moderator
So DREDD, just tell me why you find my explanation "A Little Suspect", is it because I live in a country where we bend over backwards to accommodate different creeds, colours, genders etc etc, not once did I spout any of the racist bollox that others on here shout off about, if you read my post correctly, I said initially, "rightly or wrongly attributed etc etc" not once did I quote twatface or any other (un)social media site. I was merely commenting on the content. Yes you can come and live here in our country, however abide by the laws that govern our land. as for "Homegrown Idiots" I doubt that we will ever stop them. Just like you who have your point of view.... I have mine. So take your suspicious head off. Rant over.... (no doubt you will reply to this post out of context as you did my previous). Good Day !!

Nah, can't be bothered. If you cannot get it then no amount of explanation is going to help. Good rant though. Here is your post again, in it's entirety, so everyone can see the context. Or did you want me to multi-post your full contribution to the thread just to be sure? :scratch:
 

flymo

War Hero
When was the last time that a person of indigenous stock hacked the head off a member of the armed forces whilst shouting out to his\her (we are PC of course) god?
 
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