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Mail: "The bitter truth: We couldn't send Task Force today"

Re: Mail: "The bitter truth: We couldn't send Task Force tod

That article is riddled with holes, typical gash Mail journalism.

Just one of many innacuracies is: We are also down to one effective aircraft carrier, HMS Illustrious. Unfortunately, its pilots and Harrier GR9 bombers are now stationed almost permanently in Afghanistan. The Sea Harriers that proved so useful in the Falklands have long since gone to the scrapheap.
 
Re: Mail: "The bitter truth: We couldn't send Task Force tod

Interesting article, - but a little negative.

For a start we have we have 2 carriers (not 1 as the article describes), Ocean, Bulwark, Albion, the very capable Bay class landing ships, and more nuclear submarines armed with Tomahawk etc.

That being said we are short on destroyers and harriers. Endurance has also once again returned home with her future in doubt after her mishap.

The only positive in all of this is that it keeps the navy in the headlines during a very political defence review....
 
Re: Mail: "The bitter truth: We couldn't send Task Force tod

We've got plenty of Harriers to do the job, and plenty of pilots. Anyone doubting their Air to Air capability can rest assured that they smashed up the incredibly capable Gripen over Norway last summer.
 
Re: Mail: "The bitter truth: We couldn't send Task Force tod

Montigny-La-Palisse said:
We've got plenty of Harriers to do the job, and plenty of pilots. Anyone doubting their Air to Air capability can rest assured that they smashed up the incredibly capable Gripen over Norway last summer.

Tally Ho Velvet Leader! down there on the left! Stukas!

Roger. Here we go, attacking now. Yellow Section keep your eyes peeled for the escort

Even a Spitfire can't be in two places at once
 
Perhaps this is exactly what's needed to shake-up the CDS and the Government and their narrow-minded view on Defence and long-term security. Sorry Monty, but when it comes to Air-to-Air a radar-less Harrier with 2 AIM9s is no match for a Sea Harrier with Blue Vixen radar and 4 AMRAAM. In 2005 we were kicking F-15 ass at Lakenheath, taking 'em down before they could even see us - the Yanks didn't like that one little bit.

A repeat of 1982 is just whats needed to get Broone to WAKE UP and realise that scrapping Sea Harrier has created a huge capability gap with regard to Maritime Organic Air Defence.
 
Re: Mail: "The bitter truth: We couldn't send Task Force tod

It does make you wonder whether with JSF costing 150M each that we should get an updated Harrier for a fraction of the cost and just have more.

Money could then be plowed into more OPV's etc.
 
So much of today's problems are down to poor perception management by our so-called government. Do you think if the Argies would be rattling sabres at all if Broon and his circus had any credibility ovewr matters of Defence?
 
Re: Mail: "The bitter truth: We couldn't send Task Force tod

Paddingtonbear said:
Interesting article, - but a little negative.

For a start we have we have 2 carriers (not 1 as the article describes), Ocean, Bulwark, Albion, the very capable Bay class landing ships, and more nuclear submarines armed with Tomahawk etc.

That being said we are short on destroyers and harriers. Endurance has also once again returned home with her future in doubt after her mishap.

The only positive in all of this is that it keeps the navy in the headlines during a very political defence review....
Oh Dear Mr Bear, dream on!!! heres what went down last time :wink: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_naval_forces_in_the_Falklands_War#Royal_Navy
 
Re: Mail: "The bitter truth: We couldn't send Task Force tod

scouse said:
Paddingtonbear said:
Interesting article, - but a little negative.

For a start we have we have 2 carriers (not 1 as the article describes), Ocean, Bulwark, Albion, the very capable Bay class landing ships, and more nuclear submarines armed with Tomahawk etc.

That being said we are short on destroyers and harriers. Endurance has also once again returned home with her future in doubt after her mishap.

The only positive in all of this is that it keeps the navy in the headlines during a very political defence review....
Oh Dear Mr Bear, dream on!!! heres what went down last time :wink: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_naval_forces_in_the_Falklands_War#Royal_Navy

That task force is probably bigger than our entire fleet now. :cry:
 
I have an Op Corporate poster from Navy News up on the wall here at Blandford to wind up the Percys and YES, that Task Force was bigger than our current Fleet by some way. 8O

As for the Argies, just the normal chest beating old 'Latino machismo' stuff to deflect away the fact they are in financial trouble once again. :wink:
 
Re: Mail: "The bitter truth: We couldn't send Task Force tod

off_les_aura said:
Perhaps this is exactly what's needed to shake-up the CDS and the Government and their narrow-minded view on Defence and long-term security. Sorry Monty, but when it comes to Air-to-Air a radar-less Harrier with 2 AIM9s is no match for a Sea Harrier with Blue Vixen radar and 4 AMRAAM. In 2005 we were kicking F-15 ass at Lakenheath, taking 'em down before they could even see us - the Yanks didn't like that one little bit.

A repeat of 1982 is just whats needed to get Broone to WAKE UP and realise that scrapping Sea Harrier has created a huge capability gap with regard to Maritime Organic Air Defence.

Not saying it's better than the FA2 mate, not by any means. Merely pointing out that the GR hasn't exactly been soundly thrashed as expected against Typhoon / Gripen etc.


Bergen said:
Even a Spitfire can't be in two places at once

They haven't been in Afghanistan since June 09.
 
Re: Mail: "The bitter truth: We couldn't send Task Force tod

Montigny-La-Palisse said:
Anyone doubting their Air to Air capability can rest assured that they smashed up the incredibly capable Gripen over Norway last summer.

A fair point but can you recall the WX state at the time? The MK1 eyeball is pretty good in CAVOK but becomes progressively more useless in anything less.
 
Re: Mail: "The bitter truth: We couldn't send Task Force tod

As far as the comparisons go!!.I still think we couds muster a task force if need be :)
 
off_les_aura said:
Perhaps this is exactly what's needed to shake-up the CDS and the Government and their narrow-minded view on Defence and long-term security. Sorry Monty, but when it comes to Air-to-Air a radar-less Harrier with 2 AIM9s is no match for a Sea Harrier with Blue Vixen radar and 4 AMRAAM. In 2005 we were kicking F-15 ass at Lakenheath, taking 'em down before they could even see us - the Yanks didn't like that one little bit.

A repeat of 1982 is just whats needed to get Broone to WAKE UP and realise that scrapping Sea Harrier has created a huge capability gap with regard to Maritime Organic Air Defence.
Re 82. Must give a mention, to the Sidewinder AIM9Ls, borrowed :wink: from the Septics???
 

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