Logistics Officers & Warfare Officers - Shortage category specialisations.

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  1. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    For those wishing to join in the above Officer specialisations, NOW is a very good time to attend AIB as there is a projected marked shortfall in required numbers for both specialisations in the New Year & a very good chance of an early start date.

    If you are already in the process and 'snarled-up' at the medical or PJFT stage, extract a digit, be pro-active, contact your AFCO and get cracking as fortune may well be on your side.
     
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  2. Definitely interested in this! I'm currently at the medical stage so this is great news! Thanks Ninja!
     
  3. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    No problem - get cracking!
     
  4. Thanks a lot Ninja! I've also got my medical pending shortly, if we don't manage to get the application through quickly enough for the New Year, what do you think are the chances that they'll still have a shortage for when the next intake comes round?
     
  5. Im sure my daughter would be more than happy to fill the gap as UY rather than wait the years to get her papers raised lol. Im fairly sure she would swim home for the chance even against the storm she is in right now lol.
     
  6. I wouldn't be surprised if UY chances go up. Tell her to request to see the CO and ask for her papers to be raised.
     
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  7. Seaweed

    Seaweed War Hero Book Reviewer

    It seems only yesterday that ?Ninja? was telling us that Logs needed the highest AIB scores as they were so over-subscribed.
     
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  8. I wonder if the numbers required have increased, or the numbers applying decreased?
     
  9. exJenny

    exJenny War Hero Moderator Book Reviewer

    Or they just couldn't get enough through at the higher pass mark....


    Just the thoughts of a blonde ex wren.
     
  10. More likely just trying to bounce more and more people into having a crack at it. Don't know how it works now, it was out of 1000 in my day, and you needed 500 to pass, 890 for UCE, and then a branch dependent sliding scale for bursaries (X I think started at 780-800). There was a whole gang of bums on seats Officer Cadets a decade or so ago (across branches), known as Levis, because they made up the 501 club....

    You just needed to be good at reading upside down what the board president had got in front of him....
     
  11. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Yep, that is normally the case for logs as the recruiting pool is much deeper due to the wider parameters (less restrictive on age, medical standards, non-vocational quals, etc.).

    But for some reason, the recruiting puddle has 'evaporated'. Not sure what it is directly attributed to, but grads & non-grads now start on the same rank, pay & seniority, regardless of qualifications.

    it's not an "advert" to increase the number of AIB passes and cream off the top - there ain't enough to fill the training places at present.
     
  12. I wonder if some of it can be attributed to the closing of the grad and non-grad 'gap'. A fairly well circulated publication aimed at those about to graduate or having recently done so claims that 'the lowest predicted salaries are for those starting work in the public sector or joining the Armed Forces'. Other parts of the report have graphs to demonstrate sector growth of which the armed forces fell by the biggest percentage, whilst the increase in other fields appears promising. Reports like that are taken quite seriously by some, along with the fact some see it as a less stable career than yesteryear it would be surprising if all of that didn't have an affect.

    It's good for those who are ready at a younger age of course, it is not a criticism of the change as much as it may seem one; i just like seeing correlations and impact of stuff haha. Good luck to anyone applying at the moment, fate has dealt a favourable hand.
     
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  13. Ah, the 501 Club. Bless them.

    I'm not surprised that Grads aren't looking to join given that we've cut their pay and increased the amount of time it takes to get promoted. I really hope that we can pull in the non-Grads, else we've got another black hole coming. On the plus side, I just need the Trident Bulge to retire and Capt RN here I come!
     
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  14. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    One of the problems is that schools, colleges & universities are telling students they all must get a degree - even if they don't need one. The myth is perpetuated because many students also think they must remain in full time education until at least 18 whereas they can still join-up aged 16 if they have parental consent.

    No-one has grasped the nettle and advertised this fact nationally so people continue to gain qualifications that aren't required for their military career aspiration and rack-up a debt that benefits the college or uni, but not the individual.

    The service wants them younger and offers them the opportunity to undertake an "in service" degree whilst earning £26.4K per year from age 18, if they join as an Officer.
     
  15. Actually, I think we need more Officers with 'good' degrees. Which is about 180 deg out from what the RN is currently saying, but hear me out.....

    I don't want Officers who can tell me how to open a bottle, I want Officers who can tell me it's volume with a glance, whilst thinking of new and interesting ways to make a similar container in an entirely different manner which can be used in different ways. We have PO Mechs to open bottles for us, what we don't have is people with some real intellectual horsepower being set to work on what the future of the RN is, how we're going to get there and what we're going to do when we're there. We should be lining up at the facilities of places like Exeter, Oxford, St Andrews and KCL to find the bright young things from their International Relations and Public Policy courses and take them straight to the steps of BRNC.

    Moreover, they should be put to work on these problems from the off. Their off-watch time shouldn't be about writing an XTM for the XO, it should be researching a problem in how to align Defence Diplomacy with Measures of Effect over decades.

    The Warfare Branch should stop being inward looking, anti-intellectual and repressively career managed. I should also probably have a stiff drink.....
     
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  16. fails_as_is

    fails_as_is Badgeman Book Reviewer

    And how is the RN going to be made to look attractive to someone with such intellectual horsepower, when we have such stiff competition from the rest of the employment market?
     
  17. Some good ideas but the simple truth is that unless you say all Officers should have 'good' degrees then you are setting up more separate career paths which when you are reducing the size of the RN is what you can't afford. And then if everyone has a degree who do you get to write that XTM for the XO. He sure ain't gonna do it himself.

    No offence either but people graduating in International Relations and Public Policy from the institutions you mentioned do not want to do what a Warfare Officer does for the money they do it for.


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  18. Paying them better, offering them an interesting job, allowing them to create real results.

    There should probably be a Naval Staff (like a proper General Staff*) for these people to go into. Does every Warfare Officer need a 'good' degree? No, probably not. Does every Warfare Officer who is going to do something other than be a watchkeeper need a good degree? Probably.

    I think more specialism, not less, is key in the reduced size of the RN. We can't all pretend we're all going to do everything. Hell, we only have 10-11 SO1 Command Opportunities a year, becoming a CO is a specialism in it's own right, we just don't call it that. Moreover, the 15 years after you've been a CO won't be a replay of being a CO, and knowing how to receive a Shipping Report won't cut it. Trying to get a 43 - 44 year old bloke to think about things differently, or become a proper expert in something is significantly harder than educating a 22 year old and maintaining that skill set.

    Many, many XTMs are written; very, very few are worth it. Frankly if it can't be written by a killick it shouldn't be written at all. If the XTM is written to please FOST then the FOSTie should be sacked.

    *German General Staff - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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  19. fails_as_is

    fails_as_is Badgeman Book Reviewer

    Sounds a little like something the NEM is trying to address, making more longer term assignments and allowing people to truly deep specialise. Agree with the sentiment of cutting the administrative crap, more of that please!
     
  20. As someone who's currently doing a degree in International Relations and History, albeit not from a University such as those you mentioned, it's good to see that the skills which this course teaches is being recognised by people. I do agree wholeheartedly with this.
     

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