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Logistics Officer (SM) Role Questions

ksvb5368

Midshipman
Hi,

So I passed my filter interview with what I think was with relative ease a few weeks ago, of course, the fact that I was interviewed by an ex WE(SM) didn't do me any harm!

Anyway, before the interview I had posted in the newbies sections seeing if anyone had any info on the training pipeline and career progression of a Logistics Officer (SM) but alas didn't receive any credible reply. I had scoured the forums and the RN website but could only really find info for warfare (SM) and Logistics ( General Service).

Fortunately, I wasn't really asked too much about career progression and when I was asked about my training pipeline because I gave so much detail about BRNC( almost to the detail of what you would be having for lunch each day!) he was more than happy to accept that I had done everything I could to find out about the Initial Officers Logistics Course and the Submarine School and agreed that there wouldn't be too much out there ( at any rate it wasn't that I didn't know anything, just not nearly as much detail as BRNC and in my opinion not enough for AIB ).

A further minor thing I was pulled up on was when asked about my role, I had said I would be "in charge of system integrity" and when later further prompted I added "when the boat goes into action". I think this was at the point when your asked to leave and come back in to get your results but I was told that in no way would I be in charge of system integrity, I wouldn't touch the systems and the only possible thing I would know how to do is isolate a system.

So having later checked where I got this from ( http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/linkedfiles/careers/upload/pdf/aw_logistics_l3_rn_los_v2_web.pdf ) I was initially a little confused as this is what is listed in the job description from the official RN site. However, I've just checked the corresponding general service pdf ( http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/linkedfiles/careers/upload/pdf/aw_logistics_l3_rn_lo_v2_web.pdf ) and it says you'll be in charge of damage-control teams, so i'm thinking maybe this is what he was getting at but not really sure whether it has just been badly written or whether the two tasks are completely different and I will be looking after some kind of system integrity.

Before I go to AIB I'm therefore hoping there's a pusser or ex-pusser out there that can help me out with what my career progression will look like and also give a much fuller description of duties both on and offshore. For example, what does "
advising your Commanding Officer on personnel policy, legal and accountancy
matters" really involve and what is fully involved in keeping periscope watches, specifically for a logistics officer?

So basically I'm looking any information to do with this job at all and any answers - including sarcastic, are much appreciated. :thumright:
 

WreckerL

War Hero
Super Moderator
The interviewer was correct, systems integrity is down to the ME's and WE's so I think the pdf you linked to is a bit misleading, likewise with damage control which is also controlled by ME's and WE's. the LO (depending on which routine a boats working) looks after the support party if not on watch, when on watch he has other fish to fry (pun intended).
 
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NelliesWellies12

Guest
Im not white mafia (logs branch) however from my experience the LO will be required to perform some or all of the following:-

Ship control officer of the watch (SCOOW) at sea,
Officer of the watch below when surfaced and suitably qualified,
Keeping watch on the periscopes at PD,assisting navigational plot, control room log keeping when dived,
Officer of the Day in harbour,
Sitting on BSQ/SMQ boards (for new or re-qualifying submariners)
Acting as a divisional officer to LOGS branch ratings including the writers, chefs, stewards and stores guys.
Acting as a liason officer when deployed abroad in foreign ports (this rotates between junior officers)
Supervision and Musters of stores/permanent issue items
Making sure overall the boat has the stores/spares/food although this is primarily the responsiblity of the senior rates of that section.

the officers on board have many 'hats' to wear they don't just do their primary job all the time.

there's a lot more to the job than this but just off the top of my head. good luck fella :razz:

also forgot to add keeping watches on a periscope means that when at Periscope Depth you will be keeping watch on the perisope(s) in rotation with other officers including the on watch navigator, officer of the watch and possibly the weo or dweo generally for 15-20 mins at a time each for the duration of the 6 hr watch or whilst at periscope depth. the perisopes obviously enable us to see contacts, classify and range them along with the other sensors (sonar, esm) which builds up the tactical plot of the area
 
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JamesL

Newbie
Hi ksvb5368,

I have been a LO(SM) and confirm that the key day to day roles have been covered by NelliesWellies. However I would say add that your key duties as far as your CO will be concerned will be to provide administrative support (i.e. pay, reports and other personnel issues) to the Command and to act as Command Legal Advisor (as and when things arise). You will manage a department of around 15 people. It is a busy job but alot of fun. You have to rise to the challenge - you are the sole Logistics Officer onboard and, as a Lieutenant, junior to the Warfare, Marine Engineering and Weapons Engineering Heads.

As part of your Submarine qualification you will be required to learn the key systems onboard including isolations. You wouldn't routinely operate these valves though. As a Ship Controller and Officer of the Day though you do routinely direct the operation of Ship's Systems.

Your career progression from Dartmouth (bearing in mind this is somewhat out of date now) will be broadly:
- Fleet Time (basic 'learn about the RN' phase)
- Initial Logistics Officers Course (teaching you a little about everything you need)
- Specialist Fleet Time (working as a trainee Logs Officer)
- Assessment
- First job (around 18-24 months)
- Submarine training (2 months of shore based courses, 3 months at sea qualification)
- Submarine job (around 24 months)

Because it is quite an important job and because you are on your own submarines are normally a second job. On completion you sit your charge board and then will qualify to be LO of a Frigate or Destroyer a few (normally about 5) years later.

James
 
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