Logistics Officer/Pusser - Future Command?

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  1. Hello Ladies/Gentlemen -

    I'll keep this to the point. I'm male, 29 years old, and shall be applying to become a Pusser on boats. Grew up hearing stories of the service as a relative was a WO1 engineer for 30 years, thus I'm enamored and excited to potentially be a part of the service.

    I've asked through the Senior Service official website but I have yet to get an answer; so until then -

    > Can Logistics officers eventually go on to become boat commanders? Or, is training in warfare from the outset an absolute prerequisite?

    > IF SO, over a period of time - could logistics officers move sideways and re-train/specialise in warfare later in their career, thus enabling them years down the line to be a command candidate?

    Thanks for your time.
  2. 1. NO, therefore YES

    2. Very unlikely and therefore probably NO again
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  3. ...and this thread may now be sealed.
  4. OP Ref your N02 Point. I sadly cannot recall his name at the moment, (despite him being our TASO!) but there was an ex WEO who transferred to Warfare and went onto great things. Not saying it could/would happen these days.

    It'll come back to me ............
  5. Taylor or something like that? Had him on one boat as the DWEO, on another boat he re-appeared as the XO
  6. Sound replies - many thanks. Obviously, they have had Zero effect on dissuading me from applying.

    If anything, I'll take that 'Slim chance of that ever happening' to 'absolutely minute chance that it could happen in 10-15 years time with hard work and the right attitude.'

    Looking forward to seeing what the future holds!
  7. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    You forgot the other two hopes: Bob 'n' No ;)
  8. There's a first time for everything! :D:p
  9. Is there a reason you wouldn't apply for warfare to start with?
  10. Age, presumably.

    Unfortunately, joining the branch you're still young enough for as a hoped-for back door to the one you actually want to be in but are too old for is really not a cunning plan.
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  11. Nope! I'm sure his surname started with an 'S' and I did try Google over the weekend, but got bored!
  12. Purple_twiglet

    Purple_twiglet War Hero Moderator

    OP - realistically the answer is a resounding NO. From a timing perspective you won't be in before 30, would be looking at a logistics pipeline of 3-4 years training to get you to the trained strength where you are useful to have around. At this point, its unlikely that the RN manning system would sign off on you going from a branch where they've spent time and money getting you up to speed to one where you know nothing again.

    Even if you did transfer as a Lieutenant, you'd be in your mid thirties and be going back to absolute basics and some very long periods of time at sea - if you have a family / partner then prepare to not see them for several years as the watchkeepers are run ragged. After several years of this, you may eventually get a PWO course then go to sea again for a long time. Eventually if you are any good you may get to Perisher after about 10 years (when you are 45).

    Bottom line - you are realistically too old to start in expecting transfer to Warfare, it will be highly unlikely that you could transfer and your age will count against you - in an RN where they see the Submarine Commanders as the absolute cream of the crop, they grow them from a very early age to command then onto greater things, you will be seen as someone who offers less return because you'll be hitting retirement a long time before your peers.

    I very very very strongly advise you that your proposed course of action is not going to happen, and that trying to get in one branch (that requires highest AIB pass mark and is massively over subscribed) in order to possibly get into a different branch in due course will doubtless be spotted and will count against you as the RN doesnt like wasting money on people who dont actually want to do the training.

    If you want COMMAND and you want LOGISTICS then join the RAF or the Royal Logistics Corp. You are not going to command an SSN in the Royal Navy - sorry.
  13. Purple Twiglet you are a right spoilsport:(
  14. Purple_twiglet

    Purple_twiglet War Hero Moderator

    Sorry - part of the jobspec.
  15. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    And there's me trying to be subtle whilst managing realistic aspirations.
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  16. Thanks for the cotent and explanatory clarification Purple-twiglet.

    I'll be applying nonetheless and at the very least looking forward to a decent Pusser's career - if successful!
  17. Seadog

    Seadog War Hero Moderator

    There's one engineer who commands in the absence of the CO and XO. Lt Cdr Scott. He's pretty good at it but he is the exception.
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  18. I seem to remember Nick HARRIS who I believe started as a Pusser but re-catted very early. He skippered OBERON and later an S boat. I think he made it to RA and on to FOSNII.
  19. Nicholas Henry Linton Harris
    Oberon 1986 Sovereign 1989
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