Life after the RN

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  1. Many RR members have served their time in the RN and have been released into the world of the civilians.
    For those that have reached this point already, how does life in a bowler hat (or cloth cap for those of us ex lower deck) compare?
    For those who have yet to reach this pinnacle of their naval careers, are you looking forward in anticipation, or not?
  2. Seaweed

    Seaweed War Hero Book Reviewer

    Perhaps I was lucky - 22 years on a payroll 'outside' with some fascinating subjects to work on (total job change every three years on average) and another 15 countries (and several revisits) added to the 45 I had visited in the RN.

    Downside, coming to terms with the fact that EVERYONE and particularly the managers at every level were looking after No.1. The managers mostly thought (if they thought at all about it) that leadership was a simple matter of coercion; most had NO loyalty to the people who worked for them, and this in a company widely regarded as one of the best-managed ever. And the dimmer they were, the more defensive. Unsurprisingly the best people I worked with were ex-Service (includes brown, blue and crabfat colour).

    Upside, pay during (but could have been better) and pension after.
  3. I must admit I was rather relieved when I got selected for 2OE(5) two years ago as I'd just hit the two year point and was having to book up a CTW etc which made me a bit twitchy at time. I commenced my 2OE in March so no doubt with have the same feelings come the end of 2OE or earlier if I decide to leave.
  4. Plan early use the education allowance, dont take the resetlment advice at face value check it out. If you are going to start a businesse sign on first, grants and intrest free loans are available (Nuffield/SSAFA etc)for exsevice men. I did`nt and dipped out.
  5. Went outside in 79 and more or less went right to Saudi with BaE. On return, walked right into the years of Thatcher presiding over 3 million on the dole. Survived that with a succession of mundane jobs that paid for the rent and the beer, Went to MoD in London from 1989-2003 and saw first hand what a FUBAR place it was ( and the fall of Thatcher - best retirement party I ever went to). Early retirement in 2003, and now growing old as disgracefully as I'm allowed. Civvy employment is Ok, but you certainly miss the comradeship and the crack of the Navy - what they class as humour was often beyond me - and vice versa !!
  6. the last year I was in I worked my ticket,wife was seriously ill,I had 6 months to do yet they still made me go to S.Africa for that time and flew me home rather than letting me stay or buy myself out.
    After that I dropped tools.
    Leaving the Puma the jimmy said " with your attitude I can't recommend you for a job in civilian life!" I told him that needed nothing from him and would earn more than him within a year.I moved straight to a croupiers job,inspector,pit Boss,gaming manager then General manager of casinos and stayed for twenty years.Retiring with enough at 55 years old.
    After 2 years I was earning more than an Admiral.
    Dickhead was the Jimmy[Same one who climbed the mast and tied his lifeline to a deck ringbolt!! had the whole ship in hysterics and we waited for him to take a dive.
    There is opportunity outside the Andrew just go for it.
  7. 7 years outside now, have to admit at being very twitter and bisted when I left. I was a GS CPOWEA specialising in ASW peace dividend saw me off for a job and I got lumbered with the droggies. Best thing ever happened to me, convinced me there was no future in the Andrew so I left but also gave me a foot in the door of civvy survey, where there is quite a good living to be had. I am now settled in Thailand have my own place so OK I have to fly to the North Sea for work but at present thats where the dosh is, I work 6 months a year and fingers crossed will retire by 55. Still very proud of my service but have no time/sympathy for the civvies in uniform that thr RN call droggies.
  8. Life on the outside is very very very mundane compared to the armed forces. let's face it; we were serving with very highly motivated people, most of the time anyway, and 99.9% of us had a common goal. That was to get the job done as quickly as possible with the least pain as possible in order to get to the bar as fast as possible.

    I refuse to sink to the level of MY civillian counterparts and absolutely refuse to twitter on about soap operas etc. The majority have no spark in them at all. There is a reason most of us joined the armed forces in the first place. I don't really know what the common thread is but civvies who haven't served don't have it and never will.

    We existed outside of their understanding......long may it be so! :ufo:
  9. Seljek
    I agree that most civvies have a different sense of humor to service personnel. However during my 19 years travelling the UK and the globe as a field engineer I never found life mundane. I was lucky in that several of the field engineers that I worked with were ex service, however this was not always the case. It's a case of selecting your work, and often a lower paid job can give more satisfaction than a more highly paid one. I was paid substantially lower than the companies field engineering manager, however I had a lot more satisfaction in my job than he ever got sitting at his desk. Plus my expenses helped a lot.
  10. Civvy street rocks for me. I am very happy but I think that is in no small part due to the fact that when I work I work in a similar environment to the mob and with like minded people so there is plenty of banter especially my present job where I am working with ex US marines navy / coastguard and army, you can imagine the banter that goes on there and you can rest assured that I fly the flag proudly for the RN when in full wind up mode. :salut:
    Couple this with the fact that the money is so much better and I can live overseas, I am a pretty happy chappy.
    Tomorrow I am meeting with an ex CPO WEM (R) and a soon to be ex POWEM(O) who are both wanting to come into the same industry.

    There is life after mob but if you have like minded oppos at work it is all the better, if I had to work with some numb nuts civvies in an office with no banter I may well have gone postal by now :rambo:
  11. Seaweed

    Seaweed War Hero Book Reviewer

    1974: chap on my project found what he considered a better job with more pay so said he was leaving. Termination interview with manager: Why etc. Reasons this that and the other and then 'no job satisfaction'. Manager: "I don't have any bloody job satisfaction, why the hell should you have any?"
  12. Left in 2002 not too sure what I wanted to do. tried office work (bored shitless after 3-days!). Went out spent £4500 on a DSLR and two lens, phoned local rag asked to do work experance with them for a week, then did a week with a news and sport photo agency. went solo found it hard to get jobs but kept in there now supply pictures of the SPL to many local, national and international papers. Drive well in excess of 30,000 miles a year covering news, sport and PR jobs - (with my full kit in the car it bumps the value up by about 12,000 GBP!). Now bring in twice the wages I had as a LS(S) when I left. Great job wouldn't swap it for the mob.
  13. chieftiff

    chieftiff War Hero Moderator

    I spent a long time deciding to leave the RN, with potentially another 8 years of reasonable money and job security why wasn't I happy anymore? would I be better off outside? what would I miss and why? By accident whilst researching something else I came across an article written by David McClelland some time ago. McClelland believed there are essentially 3 types of people when it comes to motivation and job satisfaction, I can't remember the exact terms he used but something like: achievement motivated, authority motivated and affiliation motivated.

    Most people are a mix of all 3, they need some aspects of each in order to be satisfied and motivated. Believe it or not only a very small number of people are motivated by money and they tend never to be satisfied! Anyway after reading McClellands work I realised I no longer felt satisfied by any of the key motivators, so onward and upwards for me.
  14. Chief Tiff
    What you have read is correct. Several surveys have come to the conclusion that Money is not the main motivator. However many are driven to jobs they do not enjoy because they need the money to finance their lifestyle. nice house, expensive car, foreign holidays, designer clothing etc.
    Thankfully after leaving the RN and entering the world of field engineering though the job was not as well paid as I would have liked, the work was enjoyable and I used to look forward to most jobs. Because of the travel (much like the RN) this sort of work is not for everyone. I would work for 3 months in a place and then come home for two weeks. It was not often that I returned to the place I had left so a new experience 3 times a year.
    I wish you luck with whatever you choose to do and hope that you enjoy civvie life.
  15. chieftiff

    chieftiff War Hero Moderator

    Cheers Slim, Whilst on my holidays I watched a guy doing my ideal job, he was in charge of a small group of guys who were all laughing and chatting (affiliation and authority) and he kept looking behind at his work smiling (achievement) unfortunately I could't afford to do it, he only earnt £14,500 pa. So what was this wonderful job? the guy was a lock keeper with British Waterways leading a team of volunteers I assume, they were cutting the grass along a towpath whilst happily chatting to and helping the boaters through some locks.......... one day!
  16. During one leave I managed to get a job at the Raymond Revue bar in Soho.
    I had to apply make up to the dancers boobs and nether regions. Pay £5:00 per week. Now I know it wasn't much but that's all that I could afford to pay out of my REMs earnings
  17. Lingyai, what type of civy job/industry are you in?
  18. Downside, coming to terms with the fact that EVERYONE and particularly the managers at every level were looking after No.1. The managers mostly thought (if they thought at all about it) that leadership was a simple matter of coercion; most had NO loyalty to the people who worked for them, and this in a company widely regarded as one of the best-managed ever. And the dimmer they were, the more defensive.

    Sounds like some members of the Navy now.
  19. I enjoy what I do, and where I do it. The navy helped me with personal discipline, but everything that I do now is my doing.

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