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News today - the Catholic church may lift its ban on the use of condoms to stop the spread of HIV between married couples. Sounds good in theory (apart from the obvious fact that it's about 20 years late) but I foresee all sorts of further difficulties. Apart from the fact that I see no reason to spare the lives of heterosexual married couples over homosexuals or unmarried couples (but then I'm a loony liberal) a newspaper article referred to an article by the previous pope saying that 'every conjugal act should be open to life' which at the time was taken to mean that contraception shouldn't be used and that conception be a possibility. The article pointed out that this could also be interpreted as permitting the use of condoms which might actually stop one of the partners being needlessly infected i.e. remaining alive. Surely were this the case, that a couple had one partner HIV positive, then using a condom or having sex at all would be prohibited since wouldn't they be having sex for pleasure (shock horror) rather than for procreation.

Tried to get my head round this for a while then decided (sorry remembered) what a load of silly asses they are. Anyway why can't they just finally decide that it's OK not to encourage their adherants to use condoms so that the size of the church doesn't decline due to large numbers of the members being HIV positive.

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Lets just stop pissing about and have a SECULAR UK and remove the charitable status, education, seats in the Lords and any laws made to assist or promote religion. Ban all religious symbols from public buildings, schools, hospitals, airports, bus station, Military bases etc.

Nutty

GOD Iam on form this morning
 
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Strangely enough I am in complete agreement with you Nutty, at least on this subject.
 
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Well, I suppose this may have a military impact. The argument being that World population densities and distribution have a bearing on conflict dynamics. Added to this, in many countries, religious dogma translates into governmental attitude and policy.

A recurrent theme of Roman Catholicism is the sanctity of life that extends to latent life. That principle explains the Vatican's views and edicts on abortion, "sexual self abuse" (whatever that is!) and, crucially here, contraception. Basically, Mankind's purpose in life is to procreate and spread the glory of God. Copulation must have the sole purpose of creating new life and we aren't here to enjoy ourselves. If the Pope is to relax the traditional view on contraception, the disturbance to the Catholic world must measure at least 8 on the Richter (or, maybe, rictus!) Scale. It would blow an appreciable hole in 2000 years worth of learned and profound religious teaching.

Accepting that religions are predominantly centred on faith and a blind acceptance that their laws are received direct from the presiding Deity, what are the lesser mortals to make of the revision of a basic tenet? New word has been received from the big fellah on high? The big fellah's interpreters and administrators on Earth misunderstood what he originally intended? Either way, it's pretty faith shaking. The Pope, with his Triple Crown, is supposed to be God's 2IC. He's going to have to explain to his flock that either God got it wrong first time round or that the body that has made the laws and morals for old those years was flawed. If God really got that big one wrong, how many other things has he wrong? Not quite so stupendous but still pretty devastating (or should be!), how many other things has God's representative on Earth misunderstood. Cue schism or the total downfall of a religion that "controls" 17% of the Worlds population. Not a good time when it is in direct competition with a fervent Islam.

As Golden Rivet (who clearly stays up late at night contemplating these things) suggests, this new thinking will have a great and beneficial impact on the loss of life from the transmission of HIV/AIDS and may see a reversal of the steady population rise in Catholic countries. Being totally dispassionate (and arguably callous), though, AIDS is an efficient population control and usually in counties that can least support large populations. Balanced against this, contraception and the admission that sex can be for fun only should see a significant decline in birth rates. A compassionate person may argue that it is a good thing that the scene is set for less misery being brought into the World and a tension has been released for a basic human urge. The big question now is, is it?
 
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Nutty said:
Ban all religious symbols from public buildings, schools, hospitals, airports, bus station, Military bases etc.

I see your reasoning. Lets do it properly, though, and demolish all the churches, cathedrals and, logically, removal all religious symbols from graveyards and headstones. Let's face it, the dumb bodies planted there were just wrong and the right thing is to correct their tangible memory.

Now is the time to sell lead on the Commodities Market before the bottom drops out.
 

slim

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The comedian Dave Allan would have had a hay day with this. I remember when he was alive commenting on the Popes decision not to allow condoms. His comment "If you don't play the game, you shouldn't be allowed to make the rules!".
 
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Passed-over_Loggie said:
Nutty said:
Ban all religious symbols from public buildings, schools, hospitals, airports, bus station, Military bases etc.

I see your reasoning. Lets do it properly, though, and demolish all the churches, cathedrals and, logically, removal all religious symbols from graveyards and headstones. Let's face it, the dumb bodies planted there were just wrong and the right thing is to correct their tangible memory.

Now is the time to sell lead on the Commodities Market before the bottom drops out.

A little over the top. I just want all, repeat all religions removed from Public life. What a person wants to do private in his church etc is up to them.

Nutty
 
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Good God

I agree Nutty the state, any state should not favour any religion over another.

Peter
 
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One minor point; our gracious Queen's power is vested in her by Big G. Move him from the story book and she will have to ask her people for her power.

OK, who's the republican? Stand up, let's see you.
 
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I'm not that bothered about replacing Liz, she sent me a nice letter once, come to that I would rather have Charlie or even Wills doing the job than some elected poly like Blair or Cameron.

Peter
 

RoofRat

War Hero
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I'm not that bothered about replacing Liz, she sent me a nice letter once, come to that I would rather have Charlie or even Wills doing the job than some elected poly like Blair or Cameron.

I totally agree with you on that score Peter. I'm a Royalist, because I don't much like the alternative.
RoofRat
 
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To be fare the system works pretty well, it gives the tabloids something to print on slack news days, and rakes in lots and lots of tourist revenue, so all in all it is probably self financing. Ideal thatherite solution to the problem

Peter
 

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