LET MESM (M) vs (L)

LateToTheParty

Lantern Swinger
I’m doing a bit of research over the holidays because after leave finishes it’s not long until the end of my ph2 course, meaning that the pre-board and selection boards will be taking applications for the fast track program. I want to have a clear plan on which way I would like to specialise on killicks course if I am successful in getting selected. What I would like to know is if anyone can tell me the real world pro’s and cons of being M or L including quals gained, daily routines and watch bills alongside and at sea also can you be back aft and L ?
 

WreckerL

War Hero
Super Moderator
"Back aft and be an L", the answer is yes.

EPO's, RPO's and half the NCOWs are L's. For the uninitiated, that's Electrical Panel Operators, Reactor Panel Operators and Nuclear Chief of the Watch (WO2's at the moment).

I was an ME(L) and was a back aftie for 18 years, Fwd L for the following 12 years so did EPO, RPO and Wrecker L.
 

LateToTheParty

Lantern Swinger
Thanks that’s a great insight Wrecker, I’ve always had a good mix of mechanical and electrical on the outside. But through training I’ve been more and more thinking about taking an electrical bias, however I didn’t want to possibly miss out working on the nuclear systems. I think currently the only thing making me consider mech is the chance to work on the propulsion systems.

we were left with the impression that if you go L you’d be fwd on a 1 in 2 watch bill, and if you go M you’d be back aft on a 1 in 3 watch bill which is a reason to go M haha
 

WreckerL

War Hero
Super Moderator
There are ME L's & M's fwd 1 in 2 (known as the Wrecking crew, SR's are called Wreckers, JR's as Fwd staff)

Back aft as an RPO, I was the Primary EA maintaining the reactors protection systems, nucleonic detectors etc, and spent most of the time alongside down the reactor compartment, working alongside my M counterpart.

All ME sections have mechanical and electrical components and all work together.

Fwd ME's do a lot less duties alongside which is a big advantage
 

LateToTheParty

Lantern Swinger
Thanks a lot Wrecks, Helps me specify my line of questioning when I get back a lot.

Haha good one Sumo, but I actually like getting out of my rack :p
 

Sumo

War Hero
Sumo you sure you were not a WAAFU.????
not on boats in modern times, occasionally would have a defect, panel watch and on watch fire & emergency duties, every 6 hours or so. The other 6 hours were all mine, sometimes.
 
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WreckerL

War Hero
Super Moderator
Thanks a lot Wrecks, Helps me specify my line of questioning when I get back a lot.

Haha good one Sumo, but I actually like getting out of my rack :p
Despite what Sumo may say, you'll get more electrical experience as an ME (L) than a WE. ME's cover everything from the Turbogenerators down to your bunklight and everything in between. WE's are more kit specific such as sonar, radio etc and specialise in those particular pieces of kit.
 

Sumo

War Hero
:)
Despite what Sumo may say, you'll get more electrical experience as an ME (L) than a WE. ME's cover everything from the Turbogenerators down to your bunklight and everything in between. WE's are more kit specific such as sonar, radio etc and specialise in those particular pieces of kit.
I was pre EBD did my time as ER/BR, vents & chippy, switchboard watch keeping:)
 

Merman

Midshipman
The clankies(m) certainly work harder. There is more maintenance to do and it's usually more labour intensive.

Qualification wise I think they are roughly the same. I know the clankies can get civvy diesel quals and the Fgas cat1 if you get to cat B level.

If you are thinking long term and want to progress to Cat A then I'd say greenie is the way to go. You are more used to the manoeuvring room environment and its an easier progression.

The watchkeeper positions are very different too. The greenies sit in an air conditioned room whilst the clankies are out in a machinery space. The clankies get to wander at their own leasure though.

I preferred my freedom.

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Merman

Midshipman
The current watchbills are much more favourable to the clankies especially the higher up you get. Cat B greenies are getting quite rare.

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Merman

Midshipman
Which aren't? Pretty sure most are?

A shit load cooler than the Donkshop either way

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WreckerL

War Hero
Super Moderator
No air con back aft on any boat I've ever had (S &T) but you're right, cooler than the donk shop, except under ice when it's just as cool.
Manoeuvering just had ATU's, same as everywhere back aft.
 

Merman

Midshipman
Yeah they cool and filter air. One could say condition it . Suppose the Donkshop has them but its also got steam pipework and steam turbines etc. I had to layer up in manoeuvring last time I was in there!

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WreckerL

War Hero
Super Moderator
Try sitting on the RP with a Main Steam Stop just in front of you, and the steam range running down beside you, it can get a tad warm in that corner!
 
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