Length of service

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  1. It would appear from most "posters" that the the average "Jack" now serves till pension.Times have changed dramatically since I joined. In 1963 when as a junior, committed to 9y + 3y, the ony way out being dischaged as unsuitable/medical or by purchase. We counted the day till discharge and only a minority signed on for the next 5y. I personally bought my freedom after 9 y ( 6y mans time) for the sum of £ 100 in 1972 ( how much is that in todays money?).
    I enjoyed my time in the mob but 15 year old was far too young to sign away my youth.
  2. I joined at 16 years and 3 months in 1983, in my 25th now! No regrets at all
  3. I signed the dotted line for the ROC at 16 years and 4 months (and willingly signed on for 12 years). Stayed until it was disbanded and just missed my LS Medal :( Loved it. Loved the RNXS even more... however I wasn't a volunteer victim of the dreaded place in Suffolk.... Even there you could escape. Back in the early 1960s there was a Parliamentary Debate following a parent's complaint to his MP when his 15 year old son was SNLR'd from the G Spot for failing his maths aptitude test for the second time, or something like that. He was heartbroken.

    By the age of 16 I was looking down on my peers as "children" and thought myself very adult. Actually I had the same attitude at primary school! :roll: (I've been making up for ever since reaching the age of 40) Well we all make mistakes :oops: :biggrin:
  4. I must admit that after a year at St Vincent and doing trade training at Collingwood we looked down on the ex Raliegh trainees ,feck knows why as the majority of them were a good bit older, more worldly wise and had previous work experience.
    Probably due to the "brain washing" in pussers Borstal
  5. I seem to have a different point of view, yes a lot went early, but it was a bigger Navy then, having been on this site for a while, they seem to be leaving in droves at the four year point, which brings me back to an earlier question that has not been answered, When did they get to sign on for four years?
  6. I joined in 83, the only option then was OE2 - 22 years!
  7. Up until last year, ratings actually signed on for 22 years, but had to serve a certain amount (probably around 4 years) before they could PVR, so the RN could get their moneys worth from the training they got and all the qualifications that they were awarded. It was called the 2nd Open Engagement, and came in during the early/mid 80s.

    Now, under the new scheme, all ratings join for 18 years, but can leave with 12 months notice 2.5 years after finishing Phase 2 specialist training - I think it averages out at 4 years.
  9. That's right - 2nd Open Engagement = OE2 or 2OE depending on what bit of paper you read. Any extension is OE(5) or OE(10) - ie an extension to the 2OE.
  10. Sorted!
  11. Why they can't keep it simple, god knows! It keeps someone in a job thinking up all the terminology though.
  12. Indeed it does, probably the same guy who changed 8's to 4's etc!
  13. Prior to the Donaldson Report anyone who joined at 15 had to do the full engagement. After the committee concluded it was cruel, things progressed, and have been ever since. The Human Rights Act will simply bolster that tendency.
  14. I joined at 16 and 7 months in feb 88, it was fine until i started to go home on weekends and leave periods. it seemed my mates where doing a lot more stuff than me so in Apr 89 i left as an unhappy junior. after a few months it came Apparent that everything my mates did was on a weekend. I came to the conclusion that the navy isn’t such a bad place after all, and joined back up in Sep 91. It’s the best thing I have ever done (bar having kids of course). Almost 16 years on and I am thinking about 2OE. Should I take it, or should I go at 22. One part of is saying “take it you know you love itâ€, the other part of me is saying “what about spending time with the girlfriend and kidsâ€. Its doesn’t make things any easier with the amount of time spent on deployment extending, i.e. 9 months at the mo, possibly followed by another 4 monther next year. The kids nowadays don’t think of the Andrew as a career but a stepping stone to better things, and if they get disillusioned by the slightest of things they walk, and the navy has made it that much easier for them to do it they don’t think twice about walking.
  16. A bit of an aside from the topic but the rate of increase does reduce quite a lot at the 22yr point, after the first rate reduction at the 16yr point. It was one of the factors for me, although a minor one. I could improve my returns by taking the pension and exploiting the tax rules to re-invest it and increase the rate of return in the medium term.

    A friend a few years ago, Infantry Major, described hitting the pension point as taking a pay cut of £xk pa.

    Of course the main thing is if you're still enjoying the job then the cash and investment issue shouldn't be a decider, but if you're not enjoying it then it's not the reason to stay in that the back-pocket briefing suggests it is ;)

    Of course your current draft is very interesting, not a place I'd be tempted to leave.
  17. A point I was unaware of - thanking you. And I'm not tempted to leave my current draft!
  18. Karma
    For some reason I am in complete agreement with you on your pension statement.
    My D.O. asked if I wished to sign on after completing my 22 years. I explained to him that if I subtracted my pension payment plus invested my gratuity and also subtracted from my naval pay I would effectively be working for £x. For this I could accept a job shelf filling and not have to put up with the rigours of service life, and I most certainly did not want another small ships flight (which was on the cards).
    I left the RN and though I enjoyed most of my time in, I have enjoyed life in a civilian world far more.
  19. Karma

    You also failed to mention reduction in Tax, Nat Insurance contribution, Mess bills, possible extra traveling to a Navy Base as oppose to working local. Eating food from home not PAYE in the mess. We calculated once at Putney Nick a Det. Sgt who stayed after his 30 years was working for 20% or less of his Annual salary, as we paid 11.5% in pension contributions, which is the amount he would make by not sitting at home.

    That is of course if Finance is the only consideration.

  20. I joined in 61 on 9/3, and on my first draft to STALKER in 'Derry '62, relieved one of the last 7/5 men. In the mid/late 70s, I had 2 baby Jack Dustys who were "3 year" men - on a reduced basic pay - by the time they got to be of any use, their time was up. They went on full pay only when they signed for 9 years. When did this finish ? (Went outside in 79, so out of the loop).

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