Leaving the RN

#1
Hi, does anyone know if the RN can stop you leaving the service early if you have been offered a job (24 Years done), i know you can apply for early release but can you force the issue if they say no ??
 

drewfester

Lantern Swinger
#2
From what I have heard you can offer 3 months. It really depends on what billet you are in. If your shore based its less of an issue for drafty
if they try and force you to do the full year get a good solicitor Either way your pension is safe as you've done over 22 :):)
 
#3
Hi, does anyone know if the RN can stop you leaving the service early if you have been offered a job (24 Years done), i know you can apply for early release but can you force the issue if they say no ??
If you're a diver then it's abig fat NO. I tried. Really depends on the mobs requirements at the time. If you're a chief stoker on a deployed 42 then I would imagine again it's a no. If your some flunky polishing another grown man's shoes then you might.

Someone will be along with the correct details soon.
 

wave_dodger

MIA
Book Reviewer
#4
The answer is yes; but depends upon the requirement for you/your skills at that time. Because of recent manpower churn there are gaps all over the place which were predicted but additional people choosing to PVR and being promoted etc has thrown up gaps that weren't predictable, so if you're in one of those positions you'll be pressed to stay.

Its a case by case thing, you really need to have a proper grown up chat with your NPT team, they don't get personal and won't want to shaft you but they have posts to fill to keep the machine running.
 
#5
...............................You have a right to submit 12 months notice (before you get a job offer - not after), the Service has a right to make you complete the 12 months notice period, you can request to leave earlier, the Service can say no - Simples! Ask your Career Manager or your Career Manager Supervisor. Don't waste any money on a solicitor (attempting to overturn the provisions of the Armed Forces Act), the RN's position on this issue is firm and legally sound.
 
#6
...............................You have a right to submit 12 months notice (before you get a job offer - not after), the Service has a right to make you complete the 12 months notice period, you can request to leave earlier, the Service can say no - Simples! Ask your Career Manager or your Career Manager Supervisor. Don't waste any money on a solicitor (attempting to overturn the provisions of the Armed Forces Act), the RN's position on this issue is firm and legally sound.



100% agree with the above. Really is an urban myth. I called a solicitor and she even told me not to waste my money!

Speak to your desk, it really is the only option.
 

chieftiff

War Hero
Moderator
#7
Hi, does anyone know if the RN can stop you leaving the service early if you have been offered a job (24 Years done), i know you can apply for early release but can you force the issue if they say no ??
I'm guessing you already have your notice in? If so I found the mob pretty good in this respect after some initial resistance to the idea from those with little power to authorise it. I was offered a job with an immediate start well before my terminal date, after my 35 days resettlement, terminal leave and outstanding annual leave I was still nearly 3 months short. After some initial negative discussion with the desk, and some advice on my part from a solicitor specialising in employment law (an ex matelot and good friend who came free - well a couple of beers) I met up with the branch manager, we came to a simple agreement, I find myself a relief to fill my billet (36 month continuity billet which was the issue) and I would be allowed to start my new job, I found a relief within an hour of the meeting and walked out of the office two weeks later.

The assertion that the mobs legal position is solid on this is untrue, it has yet (or had yet in 2008 ) to be formally tested in a court of law, but, it is generally accepted that to challenge it would take far longer than a year and the costs would be prohibitive, the legal advice I received was not to waste my time ............... but if I chose to pursue it there were several avenues and lawyers are always willing to take your money.

As others have advised, talk with those in a position to make it happen and see what they have to say.
 

wave_dodger

MIA
Book Reviewer
#8
IThe assertion that the mobs legal position is solid on this is untrue, it has yet (or had yet in 2008 ) to be formally tested in a court of law, but, it is generally accepted that to challenge it would take far longer than a year and the costs would be prohibitive, the legal advice I received was not to waste my time
As I understand it, it has now been challenged and in court and the MoD won, Army (RE Officer I think) case.
 

chieftiff

War Hero
Moderator
#9
As I understand it, it has now been challenged and in court and the MoD won, Army (RE Officer I think) case.
That's comic timing, I can now say that it was good legal advice then, should have used him for my divorce :)

I've also just been reminded that he isn't an ex-matelot, he is an ex-crab and he specialises in contract law ... doh! (In my defence I've only ever known him as a civvy.)
 
#10
.......................It was tested in court some time ago (not sure about the exact details - but info came from a Barrister in DNLS); the Judge was unwilling to rule against the Armed Forces Act.
 
#11
Would there be a difference between being on an Extension of Service and being on an Extension of Career? Be good to know as it may soon be important to me. I'm not on best of terms with my CM so asking them for the steam off their shit would undoubtably end in a 'no'.
 

tiddlyoggy

War Hero
Book Reviewer
#16
Alright oggy,

I don't know him, but because he likes to advertise himself in his signature I pinged him.
Sorry mate, still don't get it, but don't worry I'm not that bothered. The only reason I asked was because he reminds me very much of someone I've served with in the way he words his posts.
 
#18
Was just checking this in BR3 yesterday. Basically the book answer is stated above. You can go out 91 days early, if you can be spared of course
 
#19
Was just checking this in BR3 yesterday. Basically the book answer is stated above. You can go out 91 days early, if you can be spared of course

Ahhh the old "if you can be spared" line. I was looking in there today as it happens, I suppose the next thing is to establish if you can be spared or not.
 
#20
The needs of the Service will always outweigh the needs of the individual - it's part of what we all signed up to, like it or not.
And rightly so, it is however a tad annoying when you have served past your original contract and all they can see is their need rather than trying to understand the need of the individual.
 
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