Leadership building

schoolboy

Midshipman
Evening all.

Right so I went down the the London OCLC in Bloomsbury last week and spoke to a bloody nice chap about being a pilot/observer/EO(Info Systems). He liked my interview manner and thought I had a good knowledge of current affairs and the of the RN and its roles and abilities. He did say I should be a little more assertive and "louder" though.

All well and good I thought so I've filled out and returned the forms and the next stages are the flight aptitude and then the AIB. F.A. sounds great fun, cant wait to try these tests, and think I will be A.OK. But I always seem to have something eating away at me, and this time its whether or not I have enough past experience of leadership related things to put me in good stead for the AIB.

So I would like to ask everyone if they have any ideas of activities I can get involved in over the next 6 months to boost my chances and build my character. My first idea was to go back to scouts and help out as a leader - my past experience with teaching kids has shown me this can help. Plus i really enjoy scout related activities.

Next I thought of learning to become a instructor in some sort of sport i.e. kayaking etc or doing some training on walking leader etc - the YHA offer lots of possibilities.

Lastly I thought of asking to go to the 4-day taster course the RN offers up in scotland. Should help me understand whats expected of me!

Any advice or thoughts about my ideas would be great! Thanks guys and gals
 

schoolboy

Midshipman
dunkers said:
Getting involved in team sports is always a winner.
Well I will look around my local area by boy am I sh1t at most team sport, I am god awful at footy and rugby, I've never played in the last 22 years see, too busy doing athletics/climbing/cycling etc. Do have an eye for rugby tho, would make a great winger and I dont mind the rough and tumble I just dont know if there is a team out there willing to take on someone entering the sport at such a late stage.....

What about softball...? would this meet your classification as a worthy team sport??
 
Scouts and sport instructor would seem like good calls, if you are not already into team sports now you are not going to really change your position in 6 months, where as with the scouts and instructing you can build on some experience you already have. It may also be worth seeing if there is some debating or public speaking club in your area to deal with the delivery of your argument which seems to have been highlighted.

ps Debating societies can be good places to meet the opposite sex as well.
 
Scouts and sport instructor would seem like good calls, if you are not already into team sports now you are not going to really change your position in 6 months, where as with the scouts and instructing you can build on some experience you already have. It may also be worth seeing if there is some debating or public speaking club in your area to deal with the delivery of your argument which seems to have been highlighted.

ps Debating societies can be good places to meet the opposite sex as well.
 

schoolboy

Midshipman
Maxi_77 said:
Scouts and sport instructor would seem like good calls, if you are not already into team sports now you are not going to really change your position in 6 months, where as with the scouts and instructing you can build on some experience you already have. It may also be worth seeing if there is some debating or public speaking club in your area to deal with the delivery of your argument which seems to have been highlighted.

ps Debating societies can be good places to meet the opposite sex as well.
Ha Ha, I had not thought of that one, but you make a good arguement yourself so I might look into that one! Cheers
 
Not being funny mate but you posted about seeing "a bloody nice chap" about being an Officer in the RN yet you then post on here asking for help on basically being a leader!!

Jeez, times HAVE changed haven't they. Oh well.

Organisation is the key.
If you can quickly organise others into strong elements of a team working for the same goal (could be doing the ironing for you, it doesn't matter what the goal is) then you are sorted.

Listen to other plans of execution and if required, merge them with your own for a better overall strategy on achieving the goal.

But ALWAYS be the one IN CHARGE of whats happening.
Don't let others take control of your actions. Be assertive, but not to the point where someone will say "oh **** this" and smack you!

Leadership is a VERY big subject, and could take pages and pages of writing yet you still wouldn't get it unless you practised it. Its difficult, because everybody has a different style of leadership. Some are loud, others are quiet but with forceful personalities.
You have to find your own way.

Personally, I don't think ordering a bunch of kids around is going to help you at your age, but thats only an opinion, its up to you.
Leadership should already be part of your make-up. You should already be saying to yourself "If we did it THIS way, it would be a lot better" etc in certain situations.

I don't think you should be posting on here, as a potential Officer, saying things like "I thought about this, then I thought about that" in a "I don't know what to do" type of way.

You KNOW what you need to do, so do it!
Go on the 4 day thing up in that foreign country North of New Jerusalem, be at the front, take on resposibilities while you are there, never say NO to an instructor, no matter how stupid the order (request?) and enjoy it.
 

matlo_caroline

Lantern Swinger
Have you thought about joining a youth organistaion, i,e Scouts, Sea Cadets is a good one im in it and got AIB in less than a month it has given me good leadership skills and team work.
 

schoolboy

Midshipman
Lamri said:
Not being funny mate but you posted about seeing "a bloody nice chap" about being an Officer in the RN yet you then post on here asking for help on basically being a leader!!

Jeez, times HAVE changed haven't they. Oh well.

Organisation is the key.
If you can quickly organise others into strong elements of a team working for the same goal (could be doing the ironing for you, it doesn't matter what the goal is) then you are sorted.

Listen to other plans of execution and if required, merge them with your own for a better overall strategy on achieving the goal.

But ALWAYS be the one IN CHARGE of whats happening.
Don't let others take control of your actions. Be assertive, but not to the point where someone will say "oh **** this" and smack you!

Leadership is a VERY big subject, and could take pages and pages of writing yet you still wouldn't get it unless you practised it. Its difficult, because everybody has a different style of leadership. Some are loud, others are quiet but with forceful personalities.
You have to find your own way.

Personally, I don't think ordering a bunch of kids around is going to help you at your age, but thats only an opinion, its up to you.
Leadership should already be part of your make-up. You should already be saying to yourself "If we did it THIS way, it would be a lot better" etc in certain situations.

I don't think you should be posting on here, as a potential Officer, saying things like "I thought about this, then I thought about that" in a "I don't know what to do" type of way.

You KNOW what you need to do, so do it!
Go on the 4 day thing up in that foreign country North of New Jerusalem, be at the front, take on resposibilities while you are there, never say NO to an instructor, no matter how stupid the order (request?) and enjoy it.
Not quite sure what you were getting at in the first paragraph, but the rest of it made sense!

I have quite an assertive streak, I like to try it my way first, and then incorporate other ideas into mine if I realise mines not working! I realise most problems quite clearly too so maybe I'll be ok. I went on a charity banger rally last year to Italy, and I was always first to jump out of the car and get to fixing whatever engine problem it was this time and didn't mind asking people to do things to help hold that and screw that in while I do this. I got a few funny looks but people seemed to appreciate my efforts. Especially since the weather was sh1t whenever we broke down!


I understand you say I should know what my personality is like already, and I guess I do, just never put it up against a situation like a RN AIB! I seem to revere the AIB more than any interview I've had before. And theres been a few! Still, can't wait to do it, 9 odd weeks to go! Bring it on!
 
You are putting too much pressure on yourself over this AIB.
Put it THIS way, if you go into the AIB putting on a show THE MASK WILL SLIP!!
The people who run the AIB know EXACTLY what they are doing and they will know if you are being fake in any way. All you have to do is be yourself, if you then pass the AIB you will know that it was because they liked the way you are. If not, then its just not for you and you can move on.
Either way, worrying about it isn't going to help you.
 

Karma

War Hero
As Lamri says, AIB is long enough, and intense enough, that you can't sustain a ''front'' for the whole time.

In terms of effective leadership, the point about tone and delivery is a good one to take on board, other than that you just need to be yourself.

What they're looking for is someone who is both a team player and a potential leader, you don't have to be fully formed yet.

In the leadership tasks, take charge of the team, tell them the problem, tell them your proposed solution and ask for their thoughts. If one comes up with something clearly better than your thoughts then it might not be prudent to try your way first just to see if it fails. Listen out for suggestions all the way through, but you take the decision about whether to use the suggestion or not. Don't let someone else take over. When you get input, thank them for it.

Equally, don't take over someone elses task. That was most difficult for me, and still is ''several'' years later. Give them suggestions and if they don't take them on board accept it and get on.

For the group argument then make your voice heard but don't become domineering. Everyone needs a chance to speak. If you can get in a position to ''manage'' the discussion then that's useful so you need to be firm and audible.

Scouts is quite useful, and getting the CRB disclosure is handy. If you're used to managing young adults then Dartmouth will be a doddle. If you're not already instructor qualified then it's probably a bit late to start now, unless you do want to keep it going in the mob. Walking leadership is handy and pretty extensible, kayaking also and both will give you the opportunity to pick up additional things at Dartmouth and later in training which all helps the old training reports.

But to some extent I see where Lamri is coming from on this. If you're still dithering about now then I'm not sure what you'll get out of any of these things, except perhaps the scouting, in six months.
 
Above all, be yourself. If you put on an act, you are doomed. And you are not expected to join with great leadership ability; the potential is what "they" are looking for.
 
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