Lateral entry PO

Roneyj05

Midshipman
Guys does anyone know if the lateral entry PO position can be applied to the submarine service also? Or must you go into surface ships?
 

soleil

War Hero
I think that it's only for ships, but will check.

What is your situation, RoneyJ? How old are you, what do you have in the way of qualifications and what do you do at the moment?
 

Roneyj05

Midshipman
I think that it's only for ships, but will check.

What is your situation, RoneyJ? How old are you, what do you have in the way of qualifications and what do you do at the moment?
28 years old, served 5 years in army as an electronics tech more similar to you (WE). Been out the army 6 years and fully qualified electrician at present. Self employed and doing well so wouldn’t fancy starting at the bottom again (for financial reasons) not because I think I’m better than that.

Quals wise, advanced apprenticeship in engineering, and pretty much every electrical qual you can get with the exception of HV SAP. Also have IOSH in terms of health and safety quals.
After leaving army I have held two managerial jobs, one project manager job and then started my own business. I fancy the lateral entry or accelerated apprentice scheme.

undecided on subs or surface, being from Newcastle the subs are favourite at the minute due to travel time home. I have friends who have done both and I’d like the travel of the surface fleet more but being that far down south would get a bit shit for travelling home.
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
28 years old, served 5 years in army as an electronics tech more similar to you (WE). Been out the army 6 years and fully qualified electrician at present. Self employed and doing well so wouldn’t fancy starting at the bottom again (for financial reasons) not because I think I’m better than that.

Quals wise, advanced apprenticeship in engineering, and pretty much every electrical qual you can get with the exception of HV SAP. Also have IOSH in terms of health and safety quals.
After leaving army I have held two managerial jobs, one project manager job and then started my own business. I fancy the lateral entry or accelerated apprentice scheme.

undecided on subs or surface, being from Newcastle the subs are favourite at the minute due to travel time home. I have friends who have done both and I’d like the travel of the surface fleet more but being that far down south would get a bit shit for travelling home.
Worth asking the Q via Live Chat on the RN careers website.

So far as I'm aware the issue on boats will be relevance of qualifications & experience in relation to the specific role.

I'll make enquiries & give you a heads-up.
 

Roneyj05

Midshipman
Worth asking the Q via Live Chat on the RN careers website.

So far as I'm aware the issue on boats will be relevance of qualifications & experience in relation to the specific role.

I'll make enquiries & give you a heads-up.
Thank you, I’ve asked online and get told to call up. Speak to a civie who then says I’ll get a call back. Clovis 19 will be a major contributor no doubt, everything is delayed I bet.
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
Thank you, I’ve asked online and get told to call up. Speak to a civie who then says I’ll get a call back. Clovis 19 will be a major contributor no doubt, everything is delayed I bet.
Yep, everything is delayed, especially the medical aspect as they can't do face to face but recruitment and training is ongoing and the recruiters are still working flat out - possibly because whenever there's a hit on the economy, people consider working in the public sector.

Warships & submarines are still going to sea and undertaking global ops, despite the pandemic.
 

Roneyj05

Midshipman
28 years old, served 5 years in army as an electronics tech more similar to you (WE). Been out the army 6 years and fully qualified electrician at present. Self employed and doing well so wouldn’t fancy starting at the bottom again (for financial reasons) not because I think I’m better than that.

Quals wise, advanced apprenticeship in engineering, and pretty much every electrical qual you can get with the exception of HV SAP. Also have IOSH in terms of health and safety quals.
After leaving army I have held two managerial jobs, one project manager job and then started my own business. I fancy the lateral entry or accelerated apprentice scheme.

undecided on subs or surface, being from Newcastle the subs are favourite at the minute due to travel time home. I have friends who have done both and I’d like the travel of the surface fleet more but being that far down south would get a bit shit for travelling home.
Yep, everything is delayed, especially the medical aspect as they can't do face to face but recruitment and training is ongoing and the recruiters are still working flat out - possibly because whenever there's a hit on the economy, people consider working in the public sector.

Warships & submarines are still going to sea and undertaking global ops, despite the pandemic.
Just really need to check to what my qualifications will get me into. Either the accelerated apprentice scheme or the direct entry. I don’t have a HNC but have lots of electrical quals which I’m not sure on their value in navy. Could do with just speaking to someone to help me make my mind up on which service and trade would be best. I really fancy it, I just hope it’s not an enormous wait and you know how it is. Life can change rapidly and life can also get in the way.
 

Stirlin

War Hero
Don't just fancy it Ron' go for it or you may regret it in later life . We are mostly ex-RN but we are pretty much in agreement that the current RN as shown on the Warship series featuring HMS Duncan is bloody good and '' I want some of that.....again '' , all too old now of course but saying yes when the credits roll.
 

Roneyj05

Midshipman
Don't just fancy it Ron' go for it or you may regret it in later life . We are mostly ex-RN but we are pretty much in agreement that the current RN as shown on the Warship series featuring HMS Duncan is bloody good and '' I want some of that.....again '' , all too old now of course but saying yes when the credits roll.
I fully agree. It will be now or never due to my age. I can always come back and start my business up again further down the line. I left the army probably sooner than I should have. A spell on covid street has developed me greatly and I think of regret it if it didn’t have a go at it. My only concern, if you watched programs about the army online it probably looks great. In reality it was shite! All of my ex navy friends do speak highly of their experiences though, unlike most ex army you speak to.
 

Stirlin

War Hero
6 elder brothers , 4 of us Navy , 3 army , my first sea draft at age 16 was Singapore for 15 months , Les , 14 months older than me joined RCT as was and was posted to Germany which he hated , drunk himself stupid every night then stole a three tonner to get slung out. They kept him in so he went on the run and got his wish , the difference between us , Army were always flash to bang first , darker humour our side of the fence :)
 

Roneyj05

Midshipman
6 elder brothers , 4 of us Navy , 3 army , my first sea draft at age 16 was Singapore for 15 months , Les , 14 months older than me joined RCT as was and was posted to Germany which he hated , drunk himself stupid every night then stole a three tonner to get slung out. They kept him in so he went on the run and got his wish , the difference between us , Army were always flash to bang first , darker humour our side of the fence :)
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must have been some time ago? I served out in Germany too, enjoyed it. Not so much the UK though.
 

Stirlin

War Hero
I joined 67 , Les had 3 years working on the local pig farm before joining in '70 , maybe the life I had in Singers
which I spoke about often and mentioned Nee Soon barracks full of Perc spiked his dislike of Germany.
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
Just really need to check to what my qualifications will get me into. Either the accelerated apprentice scheme or the direct entry. I don’t have a HNC but have lots of electrical quals which I’m not sure on their value in navy. Could do with just speaking to someone to help me make my mind up on which service and trade would be best. I really fancy it, I just hope it’s not an enormous wait and you know how it is. Life can change rapidly and life can also get in the way.
Just got feedback off my oppo. Direct Entry Petty Officer Technician is not available for those aiming to join as submariners.

Best bet? Subject to meeting the eligibility requirements, in particular academic eligibility & nationality eligibility, best avenue to explore for entry into the Submarine Service is University Graduate Apprentice Scheme (UGAS) . I genuinely think it is one of the most schemes on offer, seriously.

More here - https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/career...vice/undergraduate-apprenticeship-scheme-ugas

My tip? Apply online, check eligibility then make your choice after seeing what's actually on offer.

Good luck
 

Roneyj05

Midshipman
Just got feedback off my oppo. Direct Entry Petty Officer Technician is not available for those aiming to join as submariners.

Best bet? Subject to meeting the eligibility requirements, in particular academic eligibility & nationality eligibility, best avenue to explore for entry into the Submarine Service is University Graduate Apprentice Scheme (UGAS) . I genuinely think it is one of the most schemes on offer, seriously.

More here - https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/career...vice/undergraduate-apprenticeship-scheme-ugas

My tip? Apply online, check eligibility then make your choice after seeing what's actually on offer.

Good luck
That’s great thank you, I’ve got a quicker response on this forum than the official channels which is amazing. I hadn’t seen that UGAS role before. I defiantly qualify for that from reading the description. I just need to think long and hard about what’s going to be best for me for me to actually enjoy my time within. Although most people would die for a fully funded degree, the thought off all the academics again is a little daunting. To be honest, I did so much of that in the army, it kind of felt as if I was missing out on the good stuff. I really want to join and get stuck in and be busy with hands on, real work if that makes sense.

I’m fortunate to have a solid business which I can always return too, so I wouldn’t be worried about gaining the degree for future prospects. I’ve also had some fairly high paid managerial jobs on civi street without a degree so it’s not a deal breaker for me. I fully agree that once you had that degree, it opens up so many more avenues and would entitle you to even better paid jobs and roles. Most of which are desk jobs which just isn’t for me.

From your advice,I think the accelerated apprentice scheme may be best. A half decent starting salary and should get me into the thick of it without spending the majority of my career in the classroom.

Please do however, interject or correct me if I’m wrong about the realities of each role.
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
The only thing I'd add is the UGAS scheme involves going to uni, full time for one years to get your BSc/BEng whilst earning the wage of a Petty Officer/Sergeant with all tuition fees paid & service accomm provided - there's no return of service upon graduation.

Accelerated Apprentice still involves ying-yangs (lots) of academic study but doesn't lead to a full degree.

Obviously, it's your shout.
 

slim

War Hero
The only thing I'd add is the UGAS scheme involves going to uni, full time for one years to get your BSc/BEng whilst earning the wage of a Petty Officer/Sergeant with all tuition fees paid & service accomm provided - there's no return of service upon graduation.

Accelerated Apprentice still involves ying-yangs (lots) of academic study but doesn't lead to a full degree.

Obviously, it's your shout.
Listen to yer Uncle Ninja, he never speak with forked tongue :)
 

Roneyj05

Midshipman
The only thing I'd add is the UGAS scheme involves going to uni, full time for one years to get your BSc/BEng whilst earning the wage of a Petty Officer/Sergeant with all tuition fees paid & service accomm provided - there's no return of service upon graduation.

Accelerated Apprentice still involves ying-yangs (lots) of academic study but doesn't lead to a full degree.

Obviously, it's your shout.
I take it that would then qualify my for a MEO career then as well as I’d have the degree to cover the accademic side?
 

pompeyexpat

War Hero
Just really need to check to what my qualifications will get me into. Either the accelerated apprentice scheme or the direct entry. I don’t have a HNC but have lots of electrical quals which I’m not sure on their value in navy. Could do with just speaking to someone to help me make my mind up on which service and trade would be best. I really fancy it, I just hope it’s not an enormous wait and you know how it is. Life can change rapidly and life can also get in the way.
Regarding your qualifications - From BRd3(1) - "....UGAS(MESM) entry requirements are as follows:

....4) Hold the following qualifications (equivalent qualifications are acceptable and UGAS(MESM) applications can be made before exam results are known): (a) 5 x GCSE at grades 9-4, including Maths, English and at least one science based subject. (b) Level 3 qualifications achieving a minimum of 48 UCAS points derived from Science, Technology, Engineering and Maths subjects. (c) Equivalent Level 3 or higher STEM qualifications (BTEC, HNC etc) are also acceptable. Full details are included in the UGAS CONOPS held by the UGAS Manager"
 

pompeyexpat

War Hero
I take it that would then qualify my for a MEO career then as well as I’d have the degree to cover the accademic side?
The degree isn't a necessity for a commission, it's an enticement to get people to join the scheme. What is needed if you wished to proceed down the Engineer Officer path is a pass at the AIB. Non-UGAS Ratings commissioning from the ranks as Upper Yardmen are sent to Pompey Uni to top up their BEng after selection for promotion to Officer; if commissioning as a Senior Upper Yardmen you just go straight to BRNC after selection - it being decreed that your experience rules out the need for the degree.

Although it's not linked in any careers information, BR3 is open source and can be found on the RN Website. Information about the MESM UGAS is in Chap 74 - https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/-/medi...s/reference-library/br-3-vol-1/chapter-74.pdf
 
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