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Maybe you think that if you need a job doing you should get your own way with no consideration for the work force, or is it a lack of skill where negotiations are concerned?
OK FInks I will feed the Troll.
Case in point. I needed some fabrication work finishing after 16:30, I fully accepted that the welder and his mate (fire sentry) required overtime and was willing to pay. Said welder and mate were happy to do the job. Shop Steward said I needed to pay overtime for a total of 12 people for 6 hours each to get 2 hours overtime work done. I obviously said no and delayed a vessel sailing by 16 hours, I was not going to be held to ransom, therefore the two good guys lost out on their legit paid overtime. Socialism at work (or not)
Also its the only place in the world I have worked where the Captain of a vessel is scared of the Bosun, as the Bosun is the shop steward.
 
OK FInks I will feed the Troll.
Case in point. I needed some fabrication work finishing after 16:30, I fully accepted that the welder and his mate (fire sentry) required overtime and was willing to pay. Said welder and mate were happy to do the job. Shop Steward said I needed to pay overtime for a total of 12 people for 6 hours each to get 2 hours overtime work done. I obviously said no and delayed a vessel sailing by 16 hours, I was not going to be held to ransom, therefore the two good guys lost out on their legit paid overtime. Socialism at work (or not)
Also its the only place in the world I have worked where the Captain of a vessel is scared of the Bosun, as the Bosun is the shop steward.


Well it goes without saying that we will be unable to hear the union reps version of events.
 
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Bored now and should remember to never feed the Troll especially a left wing Stalinist one.
 

dapperdunn

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Of course being a Union member you wouldn't see his point. The Union members elected the body that got so bolshy that industries upped sticks and now work elsewhere therefore can not complain. The poor non union guy looses his job even if he/she disagrees with the Unions viewpoint.
Anyone looking for examples of Unions castrating business look no further than the Docks. It's all sorted now and thankfully most of the Stalinist Shop Stewards seem to have ended up in Aus. I abhor trying to achieve anything in a dockyard in Aus.

What do you mean 'of course I wouldn't see his point being a union member'

The point I was making was, that if the company left the country, then surely the majority of employees lost their jobs not just the non-union members.
 

dapperdunn

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Edited to add: Just to be clear my problem with unions is that I think that they are run for the benefit of union bosses, journalists, lawyers and politicians rather than for the benefit of their members.

Don't tar all the unions with the same brush. They are not all left-leaning, strike obsessed, militant bodies.
For example, the union that I belong to, is a non striking union and achives its aims through negotiation not through direct action.
 
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What do you mean 'of course I wouldn't see his point being a union member'

The point I was making was, that if the company left the country, then surely the majority of employees lost their jobs not just the non-union members.
Thank-you so so much for just proving that the average trade unionist just doesn't see the big picture. You really are a product of your times.
Cheers
 

dapperdunn

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Thank-you so so much for just proving that the average trade unionist just doesn't see the big picture. You really are a product of your times.
Cheers
I fail to see how I've missed the big picture. AW said that non union members are being forced out of work when the union members force a company to move abroad. I said that surely the majority of employees would lose their jobs, not just the non union members. The fact that I'm in a union has no bearing whatsoever.
 
The big picture FGS! When I was a branch officer I sat down at many meetings with management very rarely were they confrontational and in the vast majority of cases an amicable agreement was reached that suited both parties. We always kept the members informed as to just what had been discussed and agreed. Minutes of all meetings were there to be viewed by all members should they choose to do so. Maybe people who had authority in the armed forces secure a management job in civvy street thinking that the rules are the same, well they aren't. No name no pack drill.


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dapperdunn said:
Don't tar all the unions with the same brush. They are not all left-leaning, strike obsessed, militant bodies.
For example, the union that I belong to, is a non striking union and achives its aims through negotiation not through direct action.


I'll keep that in mind, but that fact doesn't absolve self confessed communists like Bob Crowe (where does his £145,000 a year come from and why when he makes so much more than everyone else does he feel entitled to live in a council house?) of their guilt.

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AW said that non union members are being forced out of work when the union members force a company to move abroad. I said that surely the majority of employees would lose their jobs, not just the non union members.

I was saying that in response to Finknottle saying that it was annoying that non-union members receive the benefits that unions have negotiated for the workforce. My point was that while they may reap the rewards of union membership they also suffer the consequences of union actions.
 
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Guzzler

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Just as a matter of interest - why 'self-confessed' communist? Do you refer to tories, liberals and labourites as 'self-confessed'?
 

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