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Labour Planning To Brief Against Gen Dannatt?

oberon

Lantern Swinger
Seadog said:
According to the Telegraph

If they do, they'll be found out and all roads leading to London will be toppers with outrage buses.

Why is anyone surprised at this? If you know the Liarbour Party its what you expect them to do. They are power mad and will turn their 'attack dogs' on anyone who stands up to them. sad thing is a lot of people in his country will vote Liarbour even if they put a monkey in a red jacket up for election - proof is Douglas Alexander and Russell Brown neither of whom will ever rebel against the party! Tossers!!
 

PINCH

War Hero
Passed-over_Loggie said:
R077 said:
I couldn't help but notice that the mk3 chinooks are apparently unable/having difficulty integrating with our apparently more 'archaic' ssytems hence reams of complicated wiring looms are being removed in order to get them operable.

If I recall correctly, those MK3s have software problems that we can't solve because our valued "Cousins" won't give us access to the codes.

This gives a hint; http://www.nao.org.uk/publications/0708/chinook_mk3_helicopters.aspx


Although Boeing met its contractual obligations, the avionics software fell short of United Kingdom military airworthiness standards and the helicopters have not flown on operations.

Very Many thanks for searching that out. I have ben trying to find the report, I am a little slower than some.

I and I am sure others will note that the contract for these useless bits of kit was laid in 1995........
So who was stupid enough to lay a contract which did not include the codex to keep cost down?????????????

Who was in power in 1995, not the current lot. All as bad as each other.

There has never, in my time, been a Head of the Armed forces, who has whilst in post kicked up a shitstorm. They have alway waited until their pensions have been agreed, and their future secure, they have then Kicked off, by which time their words are about as useful as a fart in a wind tunnel.... Yesterdays Men...

The only way in which the COS will influance their Political Masters is to say NO whilst they are in POST. And I am afraid that will NEVER Happen.

Sad but true.
 

metimmee

Midshipman
Passed-over_Loggie said:
R077 said:
I couldn't help but notice that the mk3 chinooks are apparently unable/having difficulty integrating with our apparently more 'archaic' ssytems hence reams of complicated wiring looms are being removed in order to get them operable.

If I recall correctly, those MK3s have software problems that we can't solve because our valued "Cousins" won't give us access to the codes.

This gives a hint; http://www.nao.org.uk/publications/0708/chinook_mk3_helicopters.aspx


Although Boeing met its contractual obligations, the avionics software fell short of United Kingdom military airworthiness standards and the helicopters have not flown on operations.

Odd that the software testing standard wasnt part of the contract.
 

off_les_aura

War Hero
metimmee said:
Odd that the software testing standard wasnt part of the contract.

I'm not surprised in the least. In my experience the MoD usually get what they ask for. The problem is, they never ask for the right thing, and then complain to Industry when whatever it is they've procured doesn't work how they expected it to.
 
WhiteRose said:
......I hope the next set of planning rounds start being more upfront about how expensive the Defence of the Realm is these days. We can't throw all our cash at Afghanistan to find our next skirmish is back in the South Atlantic looking after the Falklands again.

At least there was a good "Realm" reason to go to the South Atlantic. Our Forces are only being squandered in Afghanistan because Bliar was on an arse-licking jaunt with Dubya.

Get 'em out - now!
 
Sorry, our fingers are firmly in the mangle. We helped to break the place so we do not have a lot of choice over whether we mend it or not. Although we could say, oh dear, we lost that one and simply bugger off. No deterrence credibility lost there, then. We could also pretend that the ensuing “old scores†levelling bloodbath amongst the natives is sod all to do with us as well. Of course, none of this will give the Islamic Nutters' Society all the encouragement they need to turn their attention to Pakistan; will it? :roll:
 
Passed-over_Loggie said:
Sorry, our fingers are firmly in the mangle. We helped to break the place so we do not have a lot of choice over whether we mend it or not.

Which period are we talking about when "we helped to break the place"?

My father served in the Army there in the late '30s, just prior to WWII, although "we" had been involved for a very long time before that. He had all the time in the world for the fighting capabilities of those he thought of as the Pathans, but was convinced that we should never go back into a situation that he considered unwinnable. Modern Russian and US experiences should have stopped us from going back, but no, Bliar knew better.

You seem to believe that our Defence forces should be involved in anything but our own defence, although I do understand the American dogma of "it is better to fight terrorists anywhere but on our own soil". Understanding does not mean agreeing.

UK plc is no longer able to afford its old hobby of warring all over the world and what public support there may have been in the past for what I consider the Afghanistan catastrophe has waned to such an extent that it is time to end it.
 
Well, actually, what happened pre ’53 (ish) is a complete irrelevance to our reason for being there now. The Russians have been there since and once they’d buggered off, the place was “as isâ€; whatever state “as is†was. When we lined up with Sammy Septic to give bin Laden a lesson in urban redevelopment, it just happened to be on Afghan soil. In the process, our high speed pointy things did rather a lot of collateral damage, as it would. That’s the point; we collapsed whatever Government they had, smacked up the economy even more that it was and severely buggered up the basic infrastructure. The infrastructure is still buggered up because we allowed ourselves to be diverted into a totally bone diversion in Iraq and didn’t make any appreciable progress in putting the place back to how it was for the poor sods who are trying to live there. The poor sods who don’t care about world terrorism or striking blows for World Islam. Not having 2 ha’pennies to scratch ones a**e with probably does concentrate minds on just making a comfortable and endurable existence.

That is what I mean by “we broke the placeâ€. Until we restore it to a state fit for the ordinary Afghans to get back their lives, we have an obligation. The fact that we’ve made the place an insurgent magnet for every nutter (the self same nutters that are seriously hindering infrastructure restoration) with a Western grievance isn’t their fault.

As regards the argument that we can’t afford to be a World power anymore; we are still the 6th largest economy in the World. When our economy was sodded up by the dice playing Bankers, all the other economies were sodded up as well. The 6th largest economy with a permanent seat on the UN Security Council carries certain obligations; unless you want to bludge your way like certain other well off Nations. We can afford it but the general public would rather spend money on themselves, subsidise work-shy delinquents at home and anything other than trying to keep their position in the World “good lif/â€safe life†pecking order.
 
Can't disagree on most points, but being the 6th largest economy in the world means sweet FA, in my opinion. We no longer have the wherewithal to "project" anywhere in the world, whether in support of our American cousins or not.

Public opinion is growing for withdrawal from Afghanistan and it will hold sway, sooner or later. I would prefer to see the citizens of Wiltshire getting back to the mundane, rather than having to line the streets time and again to honour the returning dead. And for every death there are many injured, physically, psychologically and, for most survivors, both.

I cannot reconcile the continuing losses and injuries to British Service personnel with some nebulous concept of making the situation better for ordinary people in a country whose population does not want "our" assistance, as it has said on many occasions. Afghanistan is not really a country, anyway, but a theoretical combination of many tribal peoples. It's "government" is a propped-up bunch of corrupt placemen, who were installed with Western support, on behalf of Western interests. You are right that much of the fault lies with "us", or, rather the US.
 
http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/D...siness/GeneralDannattGivesLastSpeechAsCgs.htm

In what is expected to be his final public speech as Chief of the General Staff, General Sir Richard Dannatt addressed the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS) today, Thursday 30 July 2009, on the Strategic Defence Review (SDR) and his conviction of the vital role it will play in ensuring that we are suitably placed for the future.

Although I’ve had a bind about him in the past (I’m sure that’s worried him!), he seems to have made some balanced and salient points. It would be rather useful if Band and Torpy (fat chance http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK...ofighter_Typhoon_Warplane_Order_To_Be_Halved_ ) would say something along similar lines to such an audience.
 
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