Just sent my application

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  1. I have just sent away my application for warfare rating in the submarine service. I'm already excited but I was wondering what the time frame is for the selection process?

    Could anyone who has went through it recently tell me how long it took from application to test/interview/medical/pjft ect.?

    I am pretty eager to get things going as quickly as possible, but I'm worried about the pjft, because I can just get 12m at the moment while pushing myself, and I just want to be ready 100% for the actual test. Giving up the booze and fags has been hard, but am getting there lol...
     
  2. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Process times vary depending on how busy your nearest AFCO is.

    I would be loathe to declare this time-frame as absolute, but South of the border:

    Submitting Application forms to sitting Recruiting Test: from 2 to 4 weeks,
    Passing Recruiting Test to interview: 1 to 2 weeks, Passing Interview to medical: 1 to 4 weeks. From passing medical you have 28 days to take & pass the Pre-Joining Fitness Test (PJFT). All the above is assuming you pass everything first go. (People sometimes fail the Recruiting test or Interview, there can be medical issues to be resolved, etc.)

    Assuming you take the PJFT within that timescale, your nominated referees have completed & returned suitable references, you have completed your Security Questionnaire correctly(and it's been submitted for processing), you have a valid passport, etc., you will then be bid for a provisional entry date. Entry dates can be from as little as two months to two years away, depending on your branch of choice. There is no point whatsoever applying for a branch which has a short waiting time & hoping to transfer after you have joined as it is simply not possible to queue jump.

    On the last point people STILL join in the wrong trade & claim they were told they could transfer- the fact is they weren't, signed an understanding that it isn't possible to change & still claim otherwise. the moral is simply: identify the branch you wish to join & join it.

    Good luck!
     
  3. Thank you very much for that information! It was exactly what I was looking for.

    I have been thinking about joining the navy for quite a while now, and it has been boats from the very beginning, nothing else has been of interest to me. I am not applying for the submarine service to try and jump queues, or to get a branch transfer. I find it bizarre that anyone would be stupid enough to do that. Very little research and you find out you can't change branch.

    This is the biggest decision of my short life so far, and I'm not taking it lightly. It still baffles me that some people go into it without a clue.
     
  4. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    It is good to see that you are taking the time to do a little research first & have the ability to do so through through a more casual means such as this & other forums & researching the official websites - it's definitely the way ahead & hopefully the official sites will become more interactive, given time.

    Truth is many of us serving or with previous service, if not most of us, joined up knowing little of what we were about to let ourselves in for. We were given leaflets & not many of us read them fully to be honest.

    You'll often see people posting the same question on here & elsewhere in the hope they will see the favourable answer they hoped for, rather than the official line, so it is a double-edged sword in some respects. You'll also get disaffected individuals with an axe to grind, posting utter nonsense in the hope of wreaking some perverse revenge.

    Most of the advice you'll see is first hand & very insightful. It's worth posting in the submariners forum to get a good idea of what you intend doing & it's worth remembering here's good & bad in all jobs, so you need to go in with your eyes & ears fully receptive. The best way to do this is to "converse" with the people currently doing the job you aspire to - they will tell it as it is & not put "spin" on it.

    Good luck!
     
  5. I'm sorry if I offended with that, I didn't really word myself very well. It's just I have done a lot of research, because it is all easily available on the internet...and the thought of someone these days just applying without using all this information which is available, well thats why I said that.

    And I also appreciate the fact I dont really know what Navy life is actually going to be like. All the forums and websites and brochures in the world could never do that.

    But having read these forums for a few months now, I have learned lots of stuff the RN careers website doesn't tell you. Read lots of stuff from real serving people, and folk with decades of experience. I really don't know why this site is not advertised by the Navy recruiters.
     
  6. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Absolutely no offence taken- it's definitely a move in the right direction and as you correctly say there is more varied access to the information than ever before and those joining should be better informed because of it.

    The only reason why this site isn't openly endorsed by Naval Recruiting is because the advice offered, albeit with the best intentions, is not always 100% accurate & up to date because the majority of contributors will generally offer advice from their experience of joining in years/decades gone by.

    The only official advice is on the official RN Website, but as yet, it hasn't reached fully interactive status-hopefuully it will. Having said that, they are investigating "Live Chat" which is where questions are asked of one person & "official answers" given, rather than someone chipping in with: "My mate's brother once heard of someone who was a murderer, who joined-up without passing a test ...." & other such foolery!
     
  7. sgtpepperband

    sgtpepperband War Hero Moderator Book Reviewer

    SOTF: Welcome to RR (and the RN soon, I hope)! I've read your posts with interest, and you come across as an eductated and astute (pun intended) potential recruit who appears to have done some research into the matter. So why the hell are you thinking about trying to join the Submarine Service?! :wink: :lol:
     
  8. I sent my application off 18th May and I start Raleigh on 2nd Dec as Comms Submarine Branch. Although I did fail my PJFT once, I'm not sure if that affected my date or not. Hope this helps.
     
  9. My husband applied in March 2006 and started in October 2006 if that helps, and he did have a 3 month hold up to pay a court fine off.
     
  10. Hi SOTF. Not sure how much you've researched the WS branch but I guess that you are aware that it is divided into two specialities in the submarine world...namely Sonar (S) and Tactical (T). Find out from your recruiter if you are now able to recruit as one of those specialities - this is supposed to be one of the brand new directives that's hitting the streets. Previously you joined as a WS and were streamed accordingly during Phase 2 training.

    Good luck.
     
  11. Thanks for the kind words sgtpepper, I've actually really enjoyed researching all sorts of different things from Naval history to daily routines on submarines. I genuinely find most of it fascinating and it just makes me more eager to be a part of the RN.

    And honestly, to me I don't get why people WOULDN'T want to be in submarines. Stuck in a large tube 100s of feet under the water for longs spells of time? Yes please!

    And thanks also for the applications to joining times, even roughly 6-7 months would be great. I would wait any length of time for the opportunity to do this, but I'd obviously prefer to be out in Raleigh right now!

    I was aware of the two different specialisations being streamed in Phase 2 training Polto, and to be honest I thought that was a good idea. I assumed they would pick the one they thought was suited best to the guys skills, or the one they needed most to make up for those manning shortages.

    An interesting idea though, and I will certainly bring it up when I get my interview. I actually find the responsibilities for both specialisations to be equally as interesting and I would be hard pressed to choose one at this early stage without more information or advice. Hopefully my recruiter can give both!

    Thanks again everyone, every piece of advice or information is greatly appreciated and I am always looking to learn something new.
     
  12. I doubt that anyone is interested but I had my psychometric testing today and passed for my branch of choice WS(SM) - Warfare Specialist Submariner.

    My interview is on Monday, need to get eyes tested tomorrow!

    Thanks to everyone, especially ninja_stoker, for helping and answering my annoying questions. 1 step down, several to go!
     
  13. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Well done Don- if you pass interview, medical & PJFT in short order, together with getting your Security Clearance form completed swiftly, you could get an entry date early in the new year as WS(SM) is a shortage category branch.

    Good luck.
     
  14. So they have lowered the standards then "a court fine"

    They must be desperate for recruits, so sad that a once mighty service of many ships and fine HONEST and TRUE men is reduced to a dozen manned by whoever wants the shilling
     
  15. My AFCO phoned me about 2 hours after I left to ask if I wanted to push my interview so it could be on the same day as my medical (to save me traveling up and down to Glasgow again). Very sympathetic to my skintness!

    But the thing is I am booked in for my medical at 11am on Jan9th, and now have my interview 2 hours after it. I thought medical came after interview x.x

    Not complaining though!

    And yeah I was told that they can't process people quick enough for the Submarine Service and that there is no waiting list. Was also told that an April or even March entry date could be possible! Couldn't believe it.
     
  16. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Good news!

    It doesn't really matter which way around you have the Interview & medical- my local AFCO does medicals first anyway.

    It depends what the fine was for Jack, when it occurred, when it was imposed & what other penalties were involved, if any. Under the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974, the rehabilitation period that must elapse after someone has been fined is 5 years from date of conviction before they are eligible to apply to join the RN. The fine could be an unpaid parking ticket, unpaid TV licence - which carries a huge fine & could be paid over an extended period, or something far more serious. Nowadays someone can get a spot fine for dropping litter- quite right too, but the penalties attached to the fine are still as severe as ever.

    We apply commonsense & if a waiver is deemed appropriate- regardless of whether we have a shortage of manpower in a given trade, we will apply for a waiver. They are not always granted, in fact the circumstances have to be considered "exceptional". Bear in mind it's a lot of extra work to get a waiver for someone, so unless they come across as outstanding candidates in all other respects & show an adequate indication of remorse & reparation, together with no previous, you can guarantee it's far easier to let them wait until the crime is "spent".

    Did you know, for instance, if you get fined in the Service for being adrift in the Service, it stays on your charge sheet for your entire career & you have a 5 year rehabilitation period attached?
     

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