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just a quick question for the medical officer

biceps02

Newbie
Thank you for your reply on the 26th March on depression and recruitment. I have taken your comments on board.

The GP I saw at my medical stated 3 years as the interval between depression and recruitment. Your post stated that it is 2 years. Could you suggest how I can seek more clarity on this if possible? Is there somewhere I could address a letter for the most udated guidelines on such matters? (2 years would allow me to reapply next year but 3 years means I have to consider changing direction entirely).

Thanks a lot.
 

psycho-fluffy

Badgeman
I think you may need to read the Angry Doc's previous response a little closer before implying that he has misled you or offered differing advice to the AFCO.

YOUR original post states the following:

"The words I wrote about the external circumstances that led to my depression were taken in isolation to the context and no further exploration was sought from my GP as to the level of my depression which was mostly mild. I never took medication. I had stated that I had been in counselling for 6 months but in fact my depression lifted after a month and the counselling was more life coaching on career decisions and techniques on stress management."

Angry Doc replied:

"The guidelines state the episode must be shorter than 12 weeks, and be 2 years ago. This is why you failed your medical. No amount of appealing will change this, as you cannot appeal this standard."

And he also said:

"Depression is counted as severe if it lasts longer than 12 weeks."

Your episode as described was NOT shorter than 12 weeks as the criteria state "affective disorder requiring treatment (with or without antidepressant medication)" therefore by your own admission your episode lasted 6 months hence the 3 year wait.

Had you seen a specialist, as you claim, and your symptomology had resolved within 4 weeks it is unlikely that you would have been diagnosed with depression but would more likely have been diagnosed with an adjustment disorder.

Also the specialists, treatment and medical regulations make no distinction what so ever of the cause of depression. Most depressive episodes are in response to something in the individual's life; your circumstances do not make you different, special or important.

Finally as to the time before you could re-apply, if as you say you want to be a member of the RN and this is not just a passing fad which is your flavour of the week then waiting 2 or even 3 years should not be that much of a problem. Go out and get some life experience, work in different environments and learn a little about life and when you return to the AFCO you will be a better, more mature candidate with more to offer the RN and potentially more to get out of your Service.

I re-joined HM Forces at the age of 33 with professional qualifications and was committed and knew not only that I wanted to join up but also why I wanted to do it. The best things come to those who wait and if it is worth it then it is worth the effort.

P-F

Apologies to Angry Doc if I have stated anything that contradicts the RN as I am looking this information up in the RAF regulations which are to hand.
 

biceps02

Newbie
Talking on this forum has been hugely enlightening and has informed my decision not to pursure a career with the RN. Thank you. Not only is it male-dominated as I expected but the majority of responses tell me a lot about the qualities of people who are in the RN. You may all have a lot of life experience but I do not want to turn into the sort of people who respond with anger, sarcasm and who are completely devoid of compassion and respect for others. I come from a nursing background and believe as a woman I have a lot to offer but I don't want to work with colleagues who are hardened to the feelings of others. No doubt this will evoke even more angry responses.
 

tommo

War Hero
You'd be surprised how many women are in the RN. However by your responses it seems you don't like hearing the answers given to you.

Fluffy has pointed out a valid point an makes perfect sense to why you failed medical.

Going by you rant in your reply if you base your opinion on an unoffical website that doesn't fully reflect life in the modern RN then it's not a loss to the RN you have chosen it's not a career for you. Withever growing numbers of applicants the Armed Forces can be more picky than before.

Good luck with what ever career choice you make.
 

Spidiver

War Hero
biceps02 said:
Talking on this forum has been hugely enlightening and has informed my decision not to pursure a career with the RN. Thank you. Not only is it male-dominated as I expected but the majority of responses tell me a lot about the qualities of people who are in the RN. You may all have a lot of life experience but I do not want to turn into the sort of people who respond with anger, sarcasm and who are completely devoid of compassion and respect for others. I come from a nursing background and believe as a woman I have a lot to offer but I don't want to work with colleagues who are hardened to the feelings of others. No doubt this will evoke even more angry responses.

Good for you...don't slam the door on the way out...mutters...fukcing bunny boiler !!!
 

Zoidberg

War Hero
biceps02 said:
Talking on this forum has been hugely enlightening and has informed my decision not to pursure a career with the RN. Thank you. Not only is it male-dominated as I expected but the majority of responses tell me a lot about the qualities of people who are in the RN. You may all have a lot of life experience but I do not want to turn into the sort of people who respond with anger, sarcasm and who are completely devoid of compassion and respect for others. I come from a nursing background and believe as a woman I have a lot to offer but I don't want to work with colleagues who are hardened to the feelings of others. No doubt this will evoke even more angry responses.

It's ok, I think Psycho Fluffy is in the RAF.
 

psycho-fluffy

Badgeman
biceps02 said:
Talking on this forum has been hugely enlightening and has informed my decision not to pursure a career with the RN. Thank you. Not only is it male-dominated as I expected but the majority of responses tell me a lot about the qualities of people who are in the RN. You may all have a lot of life experience but I do not want to turn into the sort of people who respond with anger, sarcasm and who are completely devoid of compassion and respect for others. I come from a nursing background and believe as a woman I have a lot to offer but I don't want to work with colleagues who are hardened to the feelings of others. No doubt this will evoke even more angry responses.


Since this was posted following my response without waiting for Angry Doc's input I will assume that it is directed at me. As to your accusation that I am devoid of compassion, and that I have responded with anger or sarcasm, please read my response again. I have done none of the above.

You seem to be reading things into my post that are not there and missing information freely available since you have overlooked the basic facts that not only am I a senior registered mental health nurse, but I am also female!

Life in any of the Services is male dominated but this is not neccessarily a bad thing - in my years a have faced no problems, possibly because I have not allowed anyone to treat me as anything other than an equal regardless of my or their race, gender or religion.

You seem to have a very skewed view of the Forces and I would suggest that you go back to the AFCO and ask to speak to a member of the QARNNS or other military nursing service if this is the career you wish to persue. You could also watch programmes such as the Channel 4 documentary "Air Hospital" about CCAST. As someone who has worked (presumably) for 3 years at a high and stressful level in order to gain nursing qualifications you have shown that you are more than capable of working towards "deferred gratification".

If needs be PM me and I will put you in touch with someone who can give you information about nursing in the Forces.

Either way I have found the career and the environment fulfilling and rewarding. I hope that you will be able to reflect and say the same in 10 years no matter where your future takes you.

Good luck,

P-F
 

psycho-fluffy

Badgeman
Zoidberg said:
biceps02 said:
Talking on this forum has been hugely enlightening and has informed my decision not to pursure a career with the RN. Thank you. Not only is it male-dominated as I expected but the majority of responses tell me a lot about the qualities of people who are in the RN. You may all have a lot of life experience but I do not want to turn into the sort of people who respond with anger, sarcasm and who are completely devoid of compassion and respect for others. I come from a nursing background and believe as a woman I have a lot to offer but I don't want to work with colleagues who are hardened to the feelings of others. No doubt this will evoke even more angry responses.

It's ok, I think Psycho Fluffy is in the RAF.

Quite right Zoidberg!!

I only suit blue badges so couldn't come back to the RN.

P-F
 
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guestm

Guest
biceps02 said:
Talking on this forum has been hugely enlightening and has informed my decision not to pursure a career with the RN. Thank you. Not only is it male-dominated as I expected but the majority of responses tell me a lot about the qualities of people who are in the RN. You may all have a lot of life experience but I do not want to turn into the sort of people who respond with anger, sarcasm and who are completely devoid of compassion and respect for others. I come from a nursing background and believe as a woman I have a lot to offer but I don't want to work with colleagues who are hardened to the feelings of others. No doubt this will evoke even more angry responses.

Enjoy the woman's auxiliary balloon corps then Doris.
 

andym

War Hero
Oh dearie me.Ok.its like this Biceps.WHY did you want to join the RN?Is it cos the NHS sucks?WHAT did you expect?Obviously you are an extremly perceptive person that has decided that the RN is full of People that dont quite meet with your definition of quality,in just the space of a few posts.As for the comment on the lack of feelings/compassion,i can tell you that youre talking bollocks!This is NOT an angry response but a genuine one just pointing out that there is a HUGE difference between Civilian life and Military Life,even in Nursing.As an Ex Medical Branch rating and an RGN i find your comments lacking totally in any base of truth or reality.Personally i dont give a toss if you do join the QARNNS,assuming you do,i fear you WILL have to change a few things about the way you think of the Military.I think you need to do a wee bit more research and possibly get a sense of Humour(you do have one,i know,ALL Nurses do)beacuse its not like working in the NHS at all!
 

danny

War Hero
biceps02 said:
Talking on this forum has been hugely enlightening and has informed my decision not to pursure a career with the RN. Thank you. Not only is it male-dominated as I expected but the majority of responses tell me a lot about the qualities of people who are in the RN. You may all have a lot of life experience but I do not want to turn into the sort of people who respond with anger, sarcasm and who are completely devoid of compassion and respect for others. I come from a nursing background and believe as a woman I have a lot to offer but I don't want to work with colleagues who are hardened to the feelings of others. No doubt this will evoke even more angry responses.

Do you drink from the furry cup?
 
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angrydoc

Guest
Biceps

The issue is the length of the depressive episode, not how long ago it was.

To work in the Armed Forces you need a sense of humour, a sort of gallows humour, and "give as much as you take". To be perfectly honest, from your responses in this thread and your previous thread, I don't think you have it. I don't think you would enjoy life as a Naval Nurse. It is not at all male dominated (quite the opposite) but all have a sense of humour that civilians often find intimidating and strange. The fact you seem to fly off the handle as soon as there is the hint of a criticism to you suggests to me that the NHS is going to give you more job satisfaction.

Listen to Psycho-Fluffy - she is an RAF nurse but the attitude is similar whether RN, Army or RAF.
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
biceps02 said:
The GP I saw at my medical stated 3 years as the interval between depression and recruitment. Your post stated that it is 2 years.

angrydoc said:
The issue is the length of the depressive episode, not how long ago it was.

biceps02 said:
Talking on this forum has been hugely enlightening and has informed my decision not to pursure a career with the RN. Thank you. Not only is it male-dominated as I expected but the majority of responses tell me a lot about the qualities of people who are in the RN.

psycho-fluffy said:
Since this was posted following my response without waiting for Angry Doc's input I will assume that it is directed at me. ...

You seem to be reading things into my post that are not there and missing information freely available since you have overlooked the basic facts that not only am I a senior registered mental health nurse, but I am also female!

psycho-fluffy said:
Zoidberg said:
It's ok, I think Psycho Fluffy is in the RAF.

Quite right Zoidberg!!

I only suit blue badges so couldn't come back to the RN.

P-F

Poetry. :wink:
 
10 years if over the age of 18, 1 year for under 18.

That of course is provided that you have no medical condiations that you should have reported to the AFCO (Accidents, operations etc).

SM

:)
 
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