JPA

MightyCrash

Badgeman
Okay, just thought this might be a good subject to talk about - what with the RAF having to completly go of line yesturday and not even the administrators allowed on it, is this a worry for the Writers? Is it taking away the "human touch" of the armed forces. I for one don't fancy being in Iraq and having to queue for a terminal to sort out my own admin. What about being at sea? "Do your own C30's Sir, and don't turn port whilst doing it or we lose signal!". Or is this just another PAS scare all over again. What do you think?
 

TheCommunicator

Lantern Swinger
I can see the connectivity problem being an issue. Everyone onboard trying to use it at the same time will clog up the pipe.

On the other hand, I quite like the idea of being able to check and control my own account. I never really believe what the WTRs are saying to me, I always try to ensure I can see their pas screen when I'm asking them something. Also, changes will be near instant, no longer having to get stuff done by the 15th of the month for it to be in by the end of the month.

As long as it is sensible in what it will allow you to do, and there is a level of monitoring and control for the UPO 'experts' it gets my vote. Although I'll probably change my mind when I've had a hundred phone calls asking me "Is SATCOM down because I can't access JPA"!!!!
 

PompeySailor

Lantern Swinger
TheCommunicator said:
I can see the connectivity problem being an issue. Everyone onboard trying to use it at the same time will clog up the pipe.

On the other hand, I quite like the idea of being able to check and control my own account. I never really believe what the WTRs are saying to me, I always try to ensure I can see their pas screen when I'm asking them something. Also, changes will be near instant, no longer having to get stuff done by the 15th of the month for it to be in by the end of the month.

As long as it is sensible in what it will allow you to do, and there is a level of monitoring and control for the UPO 'experts' it gets my vote. Although I'll probably change my mind when I've had a hundred phone calls asking me "Is SATCOM down because I can't access JPA"!!!!

Wrong, wrong, wrong!

The system is still not "live" and still requires cut off dates for main pay runs. See my posts on the ARRSE board - this system as rolled out the RAF has resulted in desk clerks being given total admin rights, admin guys being blocked from the system, not enough terminals, slow response times, no trained helpdesk staff and incorrect mapping to jobs/roles. For the pay run, everyone was booted off the system, and now you can only go on at certain times of the day depending on what you want to do.

Drafty has just drafted the roll-out team guys back to parent units - and we haven't done the roll out yet!

Perfect timing to coincide with the new CIS branch!
 

MightyCrash

Badgeman
Pompey Sailor, I know WE are not live but the RAF are - I'm in a tri-service job at the moment so having a good laugh at their attempt to make it work. It's not. Still in my branch I hope it falls on it's ar*e anyway! Perhaps we could get some harry black maskers and blue tak to fix this - I'll check banner now!
 

PompeySailor

Lantern Swinger
I don't think even the RAF are classing themselves as "live" now - the outages, downtime and connectivity shambles are demolishing any user confidence that may have been in place. Once a system loses user confidence, it will struggle to make up that ground again. It's a complete shambles that, from what I have heard at close quarters, does not have the confidence of the RN hierarchy, but the pen-pushers who sign contracts have stiffed us once more. We are going to have to go down a route which everyone believes to be currently inferior to our current methods. This includes different services getting different entitlements at the moment, which is pretty unforgiveable as you will see in a purple environment.

I am surprised the journos have not grabbed this one to be honest, it's turning into another MOD IT fubar....
 

TheCommunicator

Lantern Swinger
I have little knowledge really about the system so far other than it requires robust connectivity. By that I understand that to make any changes on your account you must have connectivity with the shoreside system/server, is this correct?
I've discussed it with another potential administrator who has been to a brief and he was told it requires Internet connectivity as opposed to Intranet. If this was the case and you need an IGS password to use the system then surely that would mean you could access it from any internet connected computer.
 

PompeySailor

Lantern Swinger
Not quite. Will work over DII, but the intention is to provide internet connectivity at some point - depending on system robustness and security. Part of being DII means that you get an IGS password anyway - whether it will sustain infinite users remains to be seen.

I believe that they system will work on a cached system as well, so that when a boat, for instance, gets alongside, the crew will not have to form up in rank order to enter details, but like the JPA (Tenders variant) system, data can be stored for later transmission. An exception/correction report should be generated to the user account, so at some point before going offline, the user will have to make sure that all data has been accepted/added.

Last I heard was that the RN rollout teams have been drafted back to units....
 

MightyCrash

Badgeman
That's what I have heard too. The fact remains that the amount of money they have poured into it they HAVE to make it work or suffer the embarrasment. The worst thing is, like PAS, us poor Writers will get the same training as everyone else - bugger all!
 

TheCommunicator

Lantern Swinger
PompeySailor said:
Not quite. Will work over DII, but the intention is to provide internet connectivity at some point - depending on system robustness and security. Part of being DII means that you get an IGS password anyway - whether it will sustain infinite users remains to be seen. ....

Wouldn't like every member of a Type 42 Ships company having an IGS password, it would seriously clog up bandwidth, every N* terminal onboard would be trying to use the internet!!

PompeySailor said:
I believe that they system will work on a cached system as well, so that when a boat, for instance, gets alongside, the crew will not have to form up in rank order to enter details, but like the JPA (Tenders variant) system, data can be stored for later transmission. An exception/correction report should be generated to the user account, so at some point before going offline, the user will have to make sure that all data has been accepted/added.....

This makes sense, you can make your changes without the need for connectivity and when the systems connected it up/downloads the changes and gives you an acknowledgement

PompeySailor said:
Last I heard was that the RN rollout teams have been drafted back to units....

Is this a good or bad sign? I was quite looking forward to JPA as it would have meant a lot more money on this years deployment if I'd be getting LSA instead of LSSB
 

PompeySailor

Lantern Swinger
Subs? Data entry onto a laptop, then connected once you get alongside, or burst tx on an opportunity basis.

MightCrash? Not a recent Gibber by any chance?

Communicator - it's a bad sign. It means that the rollout date has gone right again, they have cocked up with rollout team manpower. As for allowances coming in on time - don't forget that Pay2K came in around 12 months late...it's all going a bit like the Portsmouth Millenium Tower. So late they had to rename it....
 

TheCommunicator

Lantern Swinger
I'm sure it'll be worth the wait! Better to delay and get a working (hopefully) system. At least I'll be back shoreside by then.

PompeySailor said:
it's all going a bit like the Portsmouth Millenium Tower. So late they had to rename it....

They never said which Millenium they were building it for !!!!
 

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