Joining the navy with Aspergers Syndrone (Autism)?

angrydoc said:
Don't fall into the Daily Express trap of putting too much weight behind associations. A prime example of an association f*ck up was the whole MMR / autism thing.

Associations are dangerous things. Those who get chest infections breathe in oxygen. Is oxygen therefore associated with chest infections?

That's brilliant! At last a cure for the common cold! Cutting off the victim's oxygen supply! :razz: :lol: ;)
 

all_purple_now

Lantern Swinger
thingy said:
Asperger is an autistic spectrum disorder which appear to be X linked disorders and may share characteristics with genetic conditions where there is social-communication disorder, which appears to be associated with incomplete Lyon X-inactivation in X-diploidy. I was involved in research several years ago with Professor Baron-Cohen to see if KS men had Asperger. The data suggested not but there were certainly similarities and KS men who have had a diagnosis of Asperger exhibit behavioural traits that can be confused with or appear indistinguishable to, Klinefelter syndrome, especially with the less common karyotypes such as XXYY, XXXY & XXXXY.

So, what you're saying is that people with Klinefelters are more likely to have Aspergers?

That is not, if I may be pedantic, the same thing as saying that Aspergers has many of the same features as Klinefelters. Aspergers doesn't give rise to hypogonadism for one thing.

APN
 
all_purple_now said:
So, what you're saying is that people with Klinefelters are more likely to have Aspergers?

That is not, if I may be pedantic, the same thing as saying that Aspergers has many of the same features as Klinefelters. Aspergers doesn't give rise to hypogonadism for one thing.


APN

I conceed the point though I should point out that contrary to popular medical misconception hypogonadism is not a universal characteristic of classic 47,XXY Klinefelters though interestingly abnormal levels of FSH & LH are common.
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
Why? What is it about? The link doesn't indicate. https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/126354/moderation-info

If it is about ASD, there has already been a change with regard the medical standards for entry since this thread started. Candidate suitability, in the case of ASD is a medical decision determined by the Senior Medical Officer (Service Entries) on a 'case by case' basis. There are already people serving with this condition.
 

pumber21

Badgeman
My $0.02 as someone currently serving

I'm not going to comment on whether it should/shouldnt be a bar. I'm just going to state an observation from my time in INT.

I'm sure we had someone in my rct class who was displayed autistic/aspergers tendencies and I can tell you he had a harder time than others.

No one picked on him as such, but the whole group dynamic of baby matelots trapped at Raleigh taking the **** out of eachother every minute clearly distressed him moreso than any other rct.

I'd urge anyone in this position to take a step back and honestly assess whether you could be in a mess with 30 **** taking blokes for 10 weeks and function well in a similar environment thereafter, as i've seen it be quite detrimental at times.
 

maukjf

Badgeman
My $0.02 as someone currently serving

I'm not going to comment on whether it should/shouldnt be a bar. I'm just going to state an observation from my time in INT.

I'm sure we had someone in my rct class who was displayed autistic/aspergers tendencies and I can tell you he had a harder time than others.

No one picked on him as such, but the whole group dynamic of baby matelots trapped at Raleigh taking the **** out of eachother every minute clearly distressed him moreso than any other rct.

I'd urge anyone in this position to take a step back and honestly assess whether you could be in a mess with 30 **** taking blokes for 10 weeks and function well in a similar environment thereafter, as i've seen it be quite detrimental at times.

How did he end up doing?
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
I think one of the things many people may not fully grasp is that although the service operates on daily routines & drills, the bloody things are forever changing.

For those who find constant change distressing, the Armed Forces may not always be the sanctuary imagined.

On the other side of the coin, mild autism spectrum disorders were only actively diagnosed in recent years so there will undoubtedly be many undiagnosed 'sufferers' already serving. The rules have changed, which means it is no longer automatically a bar to those diagnosed with ASD.
 

pumber21

Badgeman
Passed out of Raleigh, but with difficulty.

Reported about half of the class to divisional staff regarding percieved bullying however they were all unfounded claims.

It's my opinion that people who struggle to differentiate what is/isn't acceptable will struggle in that environment.

For example, someone would make a harmless joke, then that person would hit them in the face with a mop in retaliation and deems it okay... Not saying that happened, but it's that kind of sense of proportion that you really need in the mob to deal with the banter that people 'on the spectrum' may struggle with.

God knows how he'll cope in the fleet.

Also really struggled with the constant stres/routine changes that happen at INT

Hope these observations are interesting to some
 
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