Jet fuel in the FAA

MTC29

Newbie
I am an aspiring writer of aviation fiction and I would like to know what jet fuel is called (slang) in the FAA. In the American military, virtually every motor fuel is called "gas," but I don't picture the pilot of a Buccaneer (the story is set 30 years ago) approaching a tanker and asking to take on petrol. Small details in phraseology can make a huge difference in how a story is received. Thank you in advance for any and all assistance.
 

Waspie

War Hero
Hi there.
In piston engined aircraft, the civilian term was CivGas. We, (FAA) called in AvGas, (Aviation Gasoline)
Gas turbines engined aircraft. We, (FAA) called it Avtur. Or F34 to give it its NATO code. Aviation turbine fuel or Jet A1 in civilian airfields
Gas turbines aircraft could also use Avcat or NATO code F44. Has a higher flash point so was primarily used on aircraft carriers
All info available on the net so not classified.
Hope this helps.
Most Mil aircraft would arrange fuel in advance especially at civilian air bases. We used to call it PPR. (Prior Permission Required). Routine mil base to mil base would still require advance warning so that refuel crews could be ready to accept visiting aircraft.
 

MTC29

Newbie
Thank you gentlemen.
Hi there.
In piston engined aircraft, the civilian term was CivGas. We, (FAA) called in AvGas, (Aviation Gasoline)
Gas turbines engined aircraft. We, (FAA) called it Avtur. Or F34 to give it its NATO code. Aviation turbine fuel or Jet A1 in civilian airfields
Gas turbines aircraft could also use Avcat or NATO code F44. Has a higher flash point so was primarily used on aircraft carriers
All info available on the net so not classified.
Hope this helps.
Most Mil aircraft would arrange fuel in advance especially at civilian air bases. We used to call it PPR. (Prior Permission Required). Routine mil base to mil base would still require advance warning so that refuel crews could be ready to accept visiting aircraft.
Thank you, sir. This is exactly the information I was hoping to gain through this thread. I reside in Florida and happened to be in Jacksonville Beach 18 months ago when British sailors flocked into beachside bars and restaurants after the aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth docked at a United States naval station. They were wonderful chaps and despite the six arrests, I hope the carrier returns on a regular basis
 

Waspie

War Hero
Thank you gentlemen.


Thank you, sir. This is exactly the information I was hoping to gain through this thread. I reside in Florida and happened to be in Jacksonville Beach 18 months ago when British sailors flocked into beachside bars and restaurants after the aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth docked at a United States naval station. They were wonderful chaps and despite the six arrests, I hope the carrier returns on a regular basis
My pleasure and good luck with the book. The internet is a magnificent tool when researching or getting info from friends and colleagues.
I'm busy proof reading my own at the moment. (Purely for family - not for publication to the world).
 
Used to be AvCat (F44) on board and AvTur ashore (F34). The grubbers had to do some engine adjustments prior to going on the ship, and we ran AvCat for a few flights prior to embarking.
 

MTC29

Newbie
I'm grateful for the fast replies to my question.

When the USS John F Kennedy (CV-67) was decommissioned in 2007, Naval Station Mayport in Jacksonville Florida lost its last aircraft carrier. The HMS Queen Elizabeth and her crew are always welcome in Mayport, and in the State of Florida.
 

WreckerL

War Hero
Super Moderator
I'm grateful for the fast replies to my question.

When the USS John F Kennedy (CV-67) was decommissioned in 2007, Naval Station Mayport in Jacksonville Florida lost its last aircraft carrier. The HMS Queen Elizabeth and her crew are always welcome in Mayport, and in the State of Florida.
If you 're using British warships in any publications don't put "the" in front of HMS, it's something the British press do all the time and it's wrong.
 

MTC29

Newbie
If you 're using British warships in any publications don't put "the" in front of HMS, it's something the British press do all the time and it's wrong.
Thank you for telling me that. I will make the necessary corrections in the text.

I've already gained knowledge beyond my original question. My thanks to all who have taken time to reply.
 

SONAR-BENDER

War Hero
However..... if you are using the ship's name, then, yes!

So - NO to the HMS Massive,

But YES to the Massive.

Pretty straightforward really...... ;)

And as you're a Colonial - subs are sandwiches, boats are submarines.
Pronounced sub mariner and NOT sub mareener.
And it's aloominium NOT aloominum - just saying! ;)
 

Waspie

War Hero
AvCat.

Ships no longer carry AvGas (or AvTur).
What about AvTur 30 years ago? When was AvTur fazed out or stopped from being used.
Only reason I say this as I believe the OP's book is written about the past!
I was only small ships at the end of my time, late 80's when Frigates only carried AvCAt for the Wasp and Lynx.
Did the Invincible and the like only carry AvCat??
Genuine question by the way.
 

MTC29

Newbie
Americans have a penchant for the word "the". Nevertheless, "He came aboard the Her Majesties Ship Ark Royal..."
That would be atrocious grammar, even for an American.

I want to compliment this forum on the helpful nature of its membership. I am not an aviator, nor have I ever served in the military. I am a civil engineer by profession (I believe chartered is the term used in the UK). I retired last year and felt the need to write a novel. The only way to learn is to ask, and questions appear welcome here.
 

Waspie

War Hero
Americans have a penchant for the word "the". Nevertheless, "He came aboard the Her Majesties Ship Ark Royal..."
That would be atrocious grammar, even for an American.

I want to compliment this forum on the helpful nature of its membership. I am not an aviator, nor have I ever served in the military. I am a civil engineer by profession (I believe chartered is the term used in the UK). I retired last year and felt the need to write a novel. The only way to learn is to ask, and questions appear to be welcome here.
Our, UK, press use it all the time!! Awful, makes us cringe!!
 

slim

War Hero
The most dangerous fuel carried was used to start some aircraft.
Anyone else remember Avpin?
A monofuel which produced its own oxygen.
Carried outboard so in an emergency it could be jettisoned
 

Waspie

War Hero
The most dangerous fuel carried was used to start some aircraft.
Anyone else remember Avpin?
A monofuel which produced its own oxygen.
Carried outboard so in an emergency it could be jettisoned
I'll never forget it.
From personal experience. My eyes got splashed with the stuff whilst draining the Avpin tank on a Wx Mk1. Blinded for nearly a week. 100% loss of sight for three whole days. Scary.
A contractor, during the rebuild of RNAS Portland was told NOT to use the empty Avpin drums for marking out the construction zone. Did he listen? No! So, he decided, rather than carry the empty can he wasn't to use! He kicked it along to the area he wanted to mark out. BOOOOOOM, the can exploded, (well the fumes inside did). He lost his leg just below the knee!!!
Really dodgy stuff was Avpin.
 
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