Jelous Skimmer officers

Billy_Bailey

Midshipman
I have found that since FOSM was dispanded the skimmer officers have got more control over us and are making our life hell. Firstly they have changed are running then turned our Submarine pay which was for knowledge of the boat into what they now call a retention pay and if you put in your notice you lose half of it but still have to do the same job and lastly they have taken away our subbies on jollys. I think this to do with the fact that they were never considered for Submarines and would not of been able to complete a Perisher so they are highly jelous. Whats next? loss of dolphins, painting boats grey or Wrens on boats.
 

bonoedge

Midshipman
Retention pay! It's a joke mate. If it's retention pay instead of knowledge pay, you should recieve it as soon as you are drafted to a boat. It's always been knowledge pay. Otherwise, were's the insentive to qualified.
 
they changed it so they don't have to give it to you when inboard thats what i think will be next shippers and bonoedge all i can say to you is scrub oooouuuutttttt lol
 

rickeee

Badgeman
Surely if it is classed as retention pay then it falls to be part of pension entitlements?? thats why they called it knowledge pay all these years.
 

wave_dodger

MIA
Book Reviewer
Hmm, and I thought SP (Specialist Pay) was for Recruitment [the incentive] and Retention [to keep you interested].

Hence when someone PVRs, they lose it on a graduated scale. Seems reasonable enough to me (and yes I do get SP)

Sorry can't back anyone other argument on this, if you want out fine, but why should you get the full SP? you can't say knowledge all the money that MoD has invested in you to get the knowledge is leaving out the front door.
 

OSLO

War Hero
wave_dodger said:
Hmm, and I thought SP (Specialist Pay) was for Recruitment [the incentive] and Retention [to keep you interested].

Hence when someone PVRs, they lose it on a graduated scale. Seems reasonable enough to me (and yes I do get SP)

Sorry can't back anyone other argument on this, if you want out fine, but why should you get the full SP? you can't say knowledge all the money that MoD has invested in you to get the knowledge is leaving out the front door.

Tosh! Submarine Pay was the extra to compensate for the conditions as well as the extra knowledge needed after BSQ, in the same way pilots get air pay. After you PVR you're still a submariner, you still do the job and you still have the knowledge - of course you should keep it until tje day you leave.

PVR isn't a "betrayal" of the Navy. The adage that the RN provides a job for life has long not been true and more people now see it as a launch pad to other things. However, that doesn't mean they are less commited to the job at hand or to the team.
 
Billy_Bailey said:
I think this to do with the fact that they were never considered for Submarines and would not of been able to complete a Perisher so they are highly jelous..

Most submariners I know were pinged against their will, even if they now love it. It's hardly selection when the blopke who complained the least on a course was landed with a deeply unpopular option - even if it is universally acknowledged that you sun dodgers do a pretty good job in shitty conditions.

I'm not "jelous" of your spelling though, shipmate....
 

Mincemeat

Newbie
Well, those 'skimmers' who have yet to qualify on boats are entitled to SSP(SM) [submarine pay] after completing only 4 days at sea! FOUR DAYS!
I had inspection a few months back and was told to 'stop thinking like a submariner and get some Surface routines in...'. Surface routines? Can you tell I was inspected by a Skimmer Senior Rate that hadn't been to sea in the last 5 years! What's next? DML assessing our workup?
 

wave_dodger

MIA
Book Reviewer
OSLO said:
wave_dodger said:
Hmm, and I thought SP (Specialist Pay) was for Recruitment [the incentive] and Retention [to keep you interested].

Hence when someone PVRs, they lose it on a graduated scale. Seems reasonable enough to me (and yes I do get SP)

Sorry can't back anyone other argument on this, if you want out fine, but why should you get the full SP? you can't say knowledge all the money that MoD has invested in you to get the knowledge is leaving out the front door.

Tosh! Submarine Pay was the extra to compensate for the conditions as well as the extra knowledge needed after BSQ, in the same way pilots get air pay. After you PVR you're still a submariner, you still do the job and you still have the knowledge - of course you should keep it until tje day you leave.

PVR isn't a "betrayal" of the Navy. The adage that the RN provides a job for life has long not been true and more people now see it as a launch pad to other things. However, that doesn't mean they are less commited to the job at hand or to the team.

Meant to reply to this for ages......

Opposite of Tosh - the recruitment component of SP is the extra you talk about - doh! The Retention is the additional component I think is totally free for grabs when someone PVRs because that obviously no longer applies. You can't have it both ways.
 

theoldti

Lantern Swinger
The annoying thing is, you go to 50% of SM pay on submitting notice. This, I believe is fair if you are inboard but very unfair if you are still serving ar sea on a boat.
 

Gunz_45

Badgeman
I was "press-ganged" and after 6 years escaped to the sunny side. I was gutted to find out that because I had chosen to leave my SSP stopped with immediate effect but if I'd failed courses and boards I would have kept it on the sliding scale.

Enjoyed my time but the extra pay doesn't make up for the quality of life in skimmers.
 
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