It's Not The Crime; It's The Cover-up

andym

War Hero
Blair wont be dragged down,that woman that works for him will take the crap and he'll look to be squeeky clean!
 
I vote that he'd like to take Bliar with him, but it won't happen because CI Sniffer of the Yard will shortly become the Earl Sniffer of Westminster (enabling him to pass on his title to his eldest son) and Baron Levy will be elevated to Viscount Levy.

Scooter Libby looks likely to be the next US Ambassador to Britain... shortly before seeking political asylum.
 

2badge_mango

War Hero
Nice thought Bergen, but the only way he'll go down is the same way the rest of us go down - either as sundodgers, or muff divers - or both!

2BM
 
Bergen

"It's Not The Crime; It's The Cover-up"

Sorry it is a crime to Pervert the Course of Justice and even if you do it to protect the President of the USA or his mates. As did the Labour Party staff who evaded and bent the laws their own Goverment and PM had brought in.

They are Pollies and honestly believe that the laws brought in to control us plebs do not refer to them. See MP's pensions, Smoking in the Houses of Parliment's bars and resturants etc. Its a world wide problem, Power Corrupts, Total Power Totally Corrupts.

Nutty
 
Nutty said:
Bergen

"It's Not The Crime; It's The Cover-up"

Sorry it is a crime to Pervert the Course of Justice and even if you do it to protect the President of the USA or his mates. As did the Labour Party staff who evaded and bent the laws their own Goverment and PM had brought in.

They are Pollies and honestly believe that the laws brought in to control us plebs do not refer to them. See MP's pensions, Smoking in the Houses of Parliment's bars and resturants etc. Its a world wide problem, Power Corrupts, Total Power Totally Corrupts.

Nutty
I don't think he was disputing that it was a crime, more that what he was covering up might be more important than the fact that he covered something up. I can see some parallels with Watergate, but the prosecutors need to find someone like Dean Achison (?SP) who dropped Nixon right in it. Did Cheney authorise the release of Palmie's name? Did he do it on the instructions of the President? Either of these is at least as serious as using the FBI and the IRS as a tool to attack your political enemies.

My feeling is that GWB is at least as corrupt at Nixon was, but doesn't have the raw political power & brutality to get away with it.
 
Unless things have changed since I last really took an interest in this whle affair the original problem the outing of CIA Val has turned out to be a non crime, and our hero has been banged up for covering up something that did not need coverng up. A bit like Archer who got done for a false alibi when he already had a 'good' alibi he was not that keen on using.
 
Nutty said:
They are Pollies and honestly believe that the laws brought in to control us plebs do not refer to them. See MP's pensions, Smoking in the Houses of Parliment's bars and resturants etc. Its a world wide problem, Power Corrupts, Total Power Totally Corrupts.

Nutty

Nutty,

Sorry mate but they CAN do all that as it's a royal palace and legally exempted from the law of the land - except criminal law... and even then... Parliament decides whether legislation will apply within the Palace (which includes the whole Parliamentary Estate) or not. Take health and safety for example: Parliament chooses to broadly abide by the Health and Safety at Work Act 1974. That is not the same as being subject to it! Mast manning in snow without safety harnesses, special boots, rubber gloves and that paraphanalia they used at the V Sign (St.Vincent) would be quite legal on the Estate. Cross Westminster Bridge and it's too dangerous! :wink: :roll: :lol:

AAC.
 
Bergen said:
Maxi_77 said:
Unless things have changed since I last really took an interest in this whle affair the original problem the outing of CIA Val has turned out to be a non crime, and our hero has been banged up for covering up something that did not need coverng up. A bit like Archer who got done for a false alibi when he already had a 'good' alibi he was not that keen on using.

It certainly was not a "non-crime". Valerie Plame was a CIA NOC and had set up a private energy consultancy firm [Brewster-Jennings] that provided cover for intelligence operations focused on WMD. She built the cover up pretty well by studying at the College of Europe in Bruges and at the London School of Economics. When her cover was purposely exposed the entire network was compromised. It was the CIA itself who asked for an investigation and the appointment of a federal prosecutor.

The crime was hidden pretty well but they botched the cover-up.

In the lead up to the invasion of Iraq, the USA and Britain went to great lengths not only to falsify intelligence but to rubbish, smear and discredit anyone who presented facts contrary to the Bush / Bliar spin. In the US the Army CoS General Shinseki was publicly humiliated and forced to resign; the US counter-terrorism chief Richard Clarke was forced to resign and so was Paul O'Neill the Secretary of the Treasury. They all had one thing in common, they had publicly questioned the false intelligence that was leading to the invasion. They were just the tip of the iceberg and when Ambassador Wilson said categorically that the Bush intelligence on Niger uranium ore was patently false then the White House targeted Wilson's wife Valerie Plame.

In the coming weeks and months we will see more British soldiers killed in Iraq. When all the spin and the hype is stripped away the bare fact will remain is that they were committed to a war based on nothing more than the lies of politicians. To be the last young man to die for these lies is a tough bullet to chew.

RM

Then clearly more has been released since as I say I really took any interest as at that time it was reported that she was but a head office desk wallah and as such not protected by law from disclosure. Now as what ever she was doing, her cover was blown from the start why does her real positin come out so much later especially as the apparent reason at the start for he exposure was not her own job but the fact her husband had been given a job on her advice to investigate the West African Uranium Ore story.

On the other hand I I understood these things properly I would probably be being paid more than I am now.
 

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