Greenie said:Its been harder than we expected-----
Wonder what they really expected ?????????????????
The Afghan war zone has been a hot bed for at least two hundred years
and even before then ----the British had great problems there in Q. Victoria's day and thats when Pakistan was part of the Empire.
The Soviets had a great time too and basically gave up after trying to explain the losses to the Russian peoples.
Then the coalition troops plus volunteers from the UN try to do a walkover.
No chance---the guys they are fighting were taught by the US/UN in the bad old days when Russia was the USSR --the weapons the Taliban have in their armoury are probably the same ones as they were given to fight at that time and they also have the spare Russian weapons aswell.
What goes round comes round.
Levers_Aligned said:Truth of the fact is many fold.
Firstly, our doctrine has been firmly based upon defence of the eastern European front for many years. It wasn't until fifteen years ago that we rediscovered desert warfare and only then against a technically less-able force, who were routed once the go was given. Since then all that has happened is a maintenance of capability, and stagnation of attitude, whilst the governments we vote in went to work on the so-called 'peace dividend'. For that, read, 'yippee ... tax cuts at the expense of defence'. I find it incredible that we tooled ourselves up to the yingers against a pretty impressive but worthless force and then once that broke up, we find ourselves potless and struggling on two world conflict fronts. Everyone paid attention on 2 Apr 1982, the men boarded ships and went and got back our territory (even though it was never ours in the first place, eh?) yet now after subsequent skirmishes in the Balkans, SL, Afghanistan and Iraq, the public has switched the **** off from it all. That's how easy it is, and that's just what Blair wants. If it were just a few dozen miles away from our coastline, the great British public - lumpen, pizza-eating, soap-opera addicted hedonists they are to a man - would stop carping about which **** will next grace the front bench of the house, which take-away to order in and which loathesome celebrity is going theough their Mayfly-lived shitstorm in the trash papers. Full bellies = empty skulls. Nobody votes, nobody cares. No one can tell you who the **** is the Opposition spokesperson for Education, no one can give you the RPI status. It's like one gigantic human experiment in conditioning - use the very ******* asset designed to protect the people of this land from foreign aggression to do the dirty work for the simpletons in their quest for mineral domination and keep the lab-rats who pay for them fed on shit, shit and more shit. ******* like Des Browne, when speaking ineloquently and visibly bristled on Sunday lunchtime TV should refrain from using the term "What it is important to remember ... " before launching into yet another chicaneric bullshitfest and remember this: he is not out there fighting. He is not getting rounds fired at him by skilled guerillas, fighting in their own back yard against the boys from the Mersey and the Thames and the Tyne. He should also take into account that whilst the wider, apathetic unwashed will glaze over at his very appearance on television, certain people who are hidebound by duty to stay silent watch and listen to every ******* word he says, noting the inaccuracies, the utter horseshit and the absolute lies he uses to assuage any further blame that his government has fucked it up again, not only in picking a fight with ruthless warriors who have seen a few off in the past but failing in their absolute prime duty to provide absolute support to their employees as they put themselves in the line of danger once again. It doesn't matter how much these elected, privelidged lawyers and financiers tart up the language to make it sound like they are doing us a favour by 'restructuring'. The bald fact remains that they are turning down the heat whilst outside it is snowing still. Anyone who leads a country which still regards itself as a major hitter cannot fail to complete the equation that spells out power + influence = strong defence. Frankly I don't care what emphasis they choose to place on 'assymetric threats' and other such bollocks.
War is war.
And if you wish for peace, you should be prepared for it.
dt018a9667 said:Would you trust this man (?) with your life\welfare etc? I know which way I would go and thatâ€™s out at a rapid rate of knots!
Passed-over_Loggie said:But those of us who are already fully committed in the South â€“ ourselves, the Canadians, the Dutch, the Danes, the Estonians and the ever-present Americans (who are not part of the problem)â€“ must remind our partners that it was their agreement and support that brought us to this point