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  1. When will the RN finally get its head out of its arse and form a proper IT arm of the service..I know we (sort of) have this with the CIS branch but we all know it is not really..

    the level of expertise is shocking and half within the CIS branch are not even interested...

    with the Army, RAF and RM embracing IT why oh why are we just lumping something which is now very relevant into another branch with such generic training...?

    it did not work by combining WE's and warfare before, so why are they trying it still with the CIS branch..?
  2. wave_dodger

    wave_dodger War Hero Book Reviewer

    Its far from being perfect but things are changing.

    The E(IS) Officers are merging fully with the WE branch to position the WE to more properly look at the full C4ISTAR spectrum. This at last allows CIS ratings with the aptitude and experience to try and become an Officer, albeit named WE.

    And as for the name, how long can WE last, its fast not being an accurate description and some senior figures are supportive of a name change.

    As for the CIS branch, good idea, long overdue, terrible implementation. Ah RS next week you're a CIS, so start brushing up on the "MCSE for dummies!". Doesn't really cut the mustard in my eyes. Now the RAF did the same thing (take Telecoms/COMCEN types) and formed TG4a but they thought harder and funded it properly so that everyone got assimilation training pertinant to the role/rate - cracking idea, upskilling your workforce appropriate to their tasks. Clearly something that we didn't consider.

    But, all said and done, I do think things will get better.
  3. no doubt things will get better..that is a given..but what a daft way to go about it..

    a communicator (like your RS example) could have had no intention of being a computer geek but..

    a. had no choice
    b. expected to be some sort of expert despite not having any training
    c. go to collingwood and get training on systems that you dont use and likely not to use for 4-5 years.

    take the new CIS courses for surface fleet and SM (for all rates) at do however many weeks and dont even touch the systems you have on board, what is the point in that..?

    add the fact the RN ratings wont get proper civvy quals which is not the case (i think) in the other services..

    just smacks of "jack of all trades" with some who are no good and have no interest in it...

    as for CIS(E) far, just seem a replacement for a SCO..just another figure head..

    One thing...the SPOC must be raking it in/have a very secure contract with the utter mish-mash within the CIS branch
  4. Guns

    Guns War Hero Moderator

    Edited cos one shouldn't post when one is angry.

    I promise to post more on this later.
  5. I've applied to join the CIS branch (SM), the description of the job on the RN website isn't very detailed, could you guys give me a better idea of the works that's involved?

  6. Guns

    Guns War Hero Moderator

    Time to declare my hand. I am very closely involved in this whole area (now a qualified PWO(CIS) after completing the new course this year) and yes there have been problems but we are moving towards a new era for IS (and trust me this is wider than just DII server admin). The CIS branch is at the fore and if you have an idea or even want to talk through what is happening PM me.

    So if you have an idea or want a chat about were CIS is going PM and I will do my best to get in touch or maybe meet you to take it forward.
  7. dear will be a jack of all trades like no other

    have your hand in all aspects of comms, it, navystar, css, visual signalling, security, mail (depending on class of boat)

    way too much really..
  8. PM sent, thank you.
  9. things is (from where I work)..we get all these "extra" roles with very minimal training (for those that have been in a while) and we dont get any jobs taken away from us..

    just look at the SM side of the branch...
  10. Guns

    Guns War Hero Moderator

    Sorry I might be missing something in it being typed out. Are you saying that it is a bad choice for him? Is it in someway a bad branch to be in? Should CIS be only doing one thing - if so were is the uplift for personnel on a sub going to come from?

    Ben93 - When I get in to work this week I will put something together and post it to the site.
  11. Thanks Guns.

    I'd prefer to be doing more than one thing in any job if I'm honest. Getting up each day, repeating the same task constantly isn't very inspiring! One of the main reasons for applying to the RN was the varied career it brings.
  12. Guns...

    a few things that could make it a whole lot better..

    Make training relevant (more than it is now)
    Have a serious look at the work load of the different levels of the branch (SM and GS)
    Teach the new lads, or give them the basics of Navystar/Dii from the beginning
  13. wave_dodger

    wave_dodger War Hero Book Reviewer

    The news courses, from AB upwards, are being modelled on the Royal Signals IS Engineers Class3 - Class1 scheme which aims to get SSgt/WO2 ready to be Foreman IS qualified (degree level course).

    The idea is sound, teach from first principles avoiding system specific courses (they can get them from PJT/TEMS) so that people develop a real understanding that can be used across all lines of CIS.

    It's literally just starting you have to give it time.

    Well we could do what we did in the mid 90s; give everyone MCSE courses and watch them walk out the door. This system is incremental and builds up peoples knowledge in time with their experience and yes I do believe they don't get the qualifications but they can use their SLCs for that which is broadly the same as the other services.

    You couldn't be farther from the truth. The old SCO was a boned-off Warfare Officer with normally a little interest/inclination towards Comms. Now a CISE/CISO is likely to be an E(IS) Officer recruited for their CIS degree/experience.

    What you don't want to do is confuse the E(IS)/WE with the PWO(CIS) even with the revamped long powerpoint course. The WE/E(IS) deliver CIS solutions, the aim of the PWO(CIS) is to create an intelligent user who can determine what it is the Battlestaff/TG needs.
  14. Do you not switch things off and on then like the advert used to suggest? :lol:
  15. wave_dodger

    wave_dodger War Hero Book Reviewer

    :evil: That fecking SM advert made me sooooooo mad :evil:
  16. Do you not then? :lol:
  17. Regarding PWO (CIS) Guns, did you express a choice to go that route? Did any of your previous roles lead naturally into that particular PWO strand (forgive my limited terminology)?

    I ask because just reading through some of the biographies of various officers on the RN websites there sometimes seems to be little obvious connection between pre PWO jobs and the whether they specialise in underwater above water etc. Not always I understand, but sometimes.

    Just wondering if you can give me a little more insight into how the various allocations are made...
  18. wave_dodger

    wave_dodger War Hero Book Reviewer

    The Ferranti reboot is the last resort unless its a DII UAD and then I simply don't care....
  19. No whacky with a chipping hammer?
  20. wave_dodger

    wave_dodger War Hero Book Reviewer

    Tempting at times, very tempting........

    Actually I have seen the evidence when sledgehammers have been taken to servers, quite bizarre.

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