Israel minister..war crimes charges?

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  1. wet_blobby

    wet_blobby War Hero Moderator

    I wonder if this could be done to Blair?

    An Israeli minister has cancelled a visit to the UK over concerns he could be arrested on war crimes charges.

    The foreign ministry said an "extreme leftist" organisation was likely to file a legal complaint against Public Security Minister Avi Dichter.

    He was the domestic intelligence agency chief in 2002 when Israel bombed a Hamas military leader's house killing him, his bodyguard and 15 civilians.

    British law allows private citizens to file complaints of alleged war crimes.

    "Minister Dichter has cancelled this trip following threats of him being arrested in Great Britain. This is an intolerable situation," said his spokesman Barak Sari.

    He had been invited to London as keynote speaker at a counter terrorism seminar at Kings College.

    The visit was called off after the UK government had been unable to guarantee him immunity, his office said, in the event of a private citizens complaint leading to an arrest warrant for war crimes.

    'Mistaken attack'

    The Shin Beth agency, headed by Mr Dichter between 2000 and 2005, helped plan the assassination of Hamas military commander Saleh Shehada in July 2002.

    Nine children were killed in the raid. A one-tonne bomb was dropped on Mr Shehada's house. The dead included his wife and his three children.

    In the face of international condemnation, including Israel's main ally the US, Israel conducted an investigation and concluded that the raid had been a "mistake".

    In 2006, the Israeli army scrapped plans to send one of its generals to a course at a British military academy over fears he could be arrested on war crimes charges.

    A year earlier, former Gen Doron Almog narrowly avoided arrest for his involvement in the Shehada assassination. He refused to leave his aircraft after a tip-off by Israeli diplomats.

    Correspondents say this is the first time an Israeli minister has cancelled a visit over fears of a private citizen's complaint.
  2. If's a nice thought though isn't it. Bliar up on charges. Makes you all warm inside..... :thumright:


    A UN warning that Israel’s bombardment of Lebanon may constitute war crimes has legal legs - but with the issue as much about politics as law prosecutions are unlikely anytime soon, analysts say.

    With reports of at least 300, mostly non-combatant, deaths in Lebanon during several days of air and artillery strikes, Louise Arbor, the UN Commissioner for Human Rights, said that certain Israeli actions constituted "foreseeable and unacceptable targeting of civilians" – illegal under international law.

    Daniel Machover, a London-based human rights lawyer involved in the attempted prosecution of Israeli personnel for alleged war crimes in the West Bank and Gaza, agreed that reports about the number of civilian deaths and the extent of damage to civilian areas mean that Ms Arbor has "a very, very strong point".

    International law on war crimes raises the prospect that individuals can be held criminally liable for military action. As Ms Arbor pointed out, such liability is not restricted to the military, but extends to politicians who approve their operations.

    "In principle a whole range of people from the Israeli Prime Minister, through senior generals down to air force or artillery gunners could be guilty of war crimes," Mr Machover said.

    International law classes a wide range of activities under the umbrella of war crimes, but the current focus is Israel’s aerial bombardment of Lebanon, where reports of civilian deaths in recent days include a family killed in their car while attempting to escape an area under sustained Israeli attack.

    International law prohibits armies from: "Intentionally launching an attack in the knowledge that such attack will cause incidental loss of life or injury to civilians or damage to civilian objects…which would be clearly excessive in relation to the concrete and direct overall military advantage anticipated."

    Professor Iain Scobbie, a member of the law faculty at London’s School of Oriental and African Studies, said that international law would allow individual Israelis to be held liable, if proven, for breaching these requirements.


    The Israelis have a lot to answer for and I would hope to see a lot of them standing in the ICC dock one day for crimes against humanity.

    To see them finally answer for the massacre of the POW's at Al Arish would be a great step in the right direction.

    The film in question, "The Shaked Report", was alleged by Egyptian press to have quoted witnesses who claimed that 250 Egyptian soldiers were executed by the Shaked commando unit, whose commander in the summer of 1967 was Benjamin Ben Eliezer, currently Israel's Minister of National Infrastructure. As a result of the publications, Ben Eliezer has reportedly cancelled an official trip to Egypt planned for the end of this week.

  4. Seaweed

    Seaweed War Hero Book Reviewer

    Persistent anti-Israeli (??anti-semitic) agenda here I think. If the govt of Lebanon had got a grip on the terrorists within its borders there would not have been a problem.

  5. Terrorists?

    You seem to have missed a few pertinent points there.

    Lebanon was a reasonably secular and properous country - 50 years of Israeli meddling has destablised one of the Middle Easts few success stories and left it on it's knees.

    Lebanon hasn't invaded Isreal - Isreal repeatedly a invaded and attacks Lebanon.

    Hizbullah is a democratically elected political party - Israel declaring them 'terrorists' don't make it so,
  6. Oh goody - someone has finally played the anti-semite card on RR. No surprise to me that it was Seaweed

    When even jewish holocaust survivors are accused of anti-semitism then these accusations become standard operational procedure.

    Ex- President Carter wrote a book "Palestine Peace Not Apartheid" and was immediately labelled anti-semitic.

    The survivors of the USS Liberty are routinely pilloried by the Zionist propaganda machine as anti-semitic.

    The Fijian UN peace-keepers in Lebanon were called anti-semitic.

    Any attempt to censure or even discuss Israel's behaviour; even by jews is automatically labelled anti-semitic.

    Israeli jews who criticise the Zionists including those who wrote about the Al Arish massacre of POW's are labelled as anti-semites:-

    [align=center]Mass Graves[/align]

    In 1967 Six-Day War, Egyptian POWs

    Ordered to Dig Graves, Then Shot by Israeli Army

    By Gabby Bron *

    It was the publication of the claims, made by Dr. Aryeh Yitzhaki,(1) about what really occurred during the Six Day War [June 1967] that caused me to recall what had happened and what I and my comrades had seen during my reserve service.

    On the third day of that war we saw Egyptian POWs being executed after a "court martial". The explanation given to us was that those killed were Palestinian "Fedayin" fighters from the Gaza Strip who had disguised themselves as soldiers in order to escape from our forces". I witnessed their executions with my own eyes in the morning of June 8, 1967 in the airport area in al-Arish, Sinai. This was where the headquarters of the brigade commanded by General Israel Tal, in which I had served, were located.

    On that morning we heard that hundreds of Egyptian POWs were being held in the headquarters and we had time to go to look at them. About 150 POW's were held in an open building serving as a cover for airplanes, surrounded on three sides by high sand-bag embankments. They were densely crowded and sitting on the ground with their hands on the back of their necks.

    Adjoining the prison compound, guarded by military police, there were two men sitting at a table. They wore Israeli army uniforms and steel helmets with faces almost entirely covered by sun glasses and khaki-colored handkerchiefs. Every few minutes, the military police took one of the POWs from the prison compound and escorted him to the table. A short conversation, which we were not able to hear, was then conducted. Following it, the POW was escorted by two military policemen to a place behind the building.

    I followed the procedure. The POW was escorted to a distance of about 100 meters from the building and given a spade. I watched the POW digging a big pit which took about 15 minutes. Then the policemen ordered him to throw out the spade. When he did so one of them pointed his Uzi gun at the POW inside the pit and shot two short bullet bursts, consisting maybe of three four bullets each. The POW fell dead. After a few minutes another POW was escorted to the same pit, forced to go into it and was also shot dead. A third POW was brought to the same place and also shot dead. Since the process was repeated a number of times, the grave was filled up. I witnessed about ten such executions.

    We were standing there, near the place where the POW's were being held and we watched silently. The fact that a number of soldiers were watching the spectacle was apparently unwelcome because after a time Colonel Eshel, the commander of the communication battalion of the brigade, appeared and shouted at the soldiers, ordering them to leave. When we didn't show any willingness to obey, Colonel Eshel pulled out his personal revolver and threatened us with it. Raising his voice even more, he was able to get the soldiers to obey, including me.

    The reserve soldiers who heard about what had happened were horrified,(2) and about the noon an officer, whose identity I cannot recall, came to explain to the reserve soldiers that the men of the Military Intelligence were identifying "Fedayin" fighters of the Gaza Strip who had murdered Jews and disguised themselves. At that time of the continuing war, it seemed a reasonable explanation.(3) The day after, a rumor circulated that, in another al-Arish location, "hundreds of Egyptian POWs who interfered with the advance of our forces", were liquidated. Dr. Aryeh Yitzhaki must be referring now to this rumor as an established tact. ( Yediot Ahronot, August 17, 1995) Dr. Israel Shahak, a Holocaust survivor and retired professor of chemistry at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, is chairman of the Israeli League of Human and Civil Rights


  7. As Assaf, a former Major in the AMAN said to my old man…

    "the Nazis taught us everything we know".

  9. I've extensively studied the transcripts of evidence from the Nuremburg Trials… this could have been culled straight from it's pages. Shooting children for 'sport' was a popular diversion for the camp and ghetto guards.
  10. Is there a warrant out for this man's arrest? If not, then the chances of the Met Police getting involved are ZERO. "Nothing to do with us chief!!!"

    They didn't didn't do anything when Peter (?) made a citizens arrest in London. The man involved ? Robert Mugabe.

    So why should they act if this gentleman arrived in UK?

    Semper Strenuissima
  11. There is little political will to do anything about Israeli war-crimes. After the invasion of Lebanon by Israel in 1982 the USA brokered a deal in which the armed members of the PLO left Lebanon and the US gave assurances of the safety of the Palestinian women and children left behind.

    The Israelis surrounded the refugee camps and sent in the Christian Phalange. The Israelis fired para-illume during the night so that the Phalangists could see and during the day the Israelis filmed the ongoing massacre of hundreds of women and children from the roof-tops.

    In Israel 400,000 jews took to the streets of Israel in protest at what was going on and attempts were made to indict Arik Sharon for his leadership of the massacres. The names of the senior Israeli officers who took part are all known but nothing was ever done. Menachim Begin said "Goy kill Goy and we are blamed". Robert Fisk wrote a very good account of what he saw when he entered the camps.:-

  12. wet_blobby

    wet_blobby War Hero Moderator

    Shit happens. Religeous shit is the worst, they then can find a banner to pin thier excuses on.

    I personally think this whole God thing is a joke, the first priest was the first conman to meet the first gullable twat. Religion has caused more deaths than anything else, it's a global willy wanging competition, "My Gods better than yours...." ... "No he's not, my Gods given me all these killing things...Na, na na,nana..."

    No ones God has ever brought down the price of beer and fags have they?
  13. Shit certainly happens Blobs. What amazes me though is that the Israelis get a free pass on war-crimes because the West has been so brain-washed. They are up to their necks in feeding us the false intelligence that led to the invasion of Iraq and they have been trying to pull the same stunts with Iran.

    In my mind there is no coincidence in the NIE being released by the US intelligence agencies in time to stop Israel in it's tracks. There is a growing realisation that Israel and Zionism are the root cause of most of the Middle East's problems.

  14. wet_blobby

    wet_blobby War Hero Moderator

    I'd disagree there mate, the palastinian problem could of been sorted decades ago, but, it suited the arab nations to keep there fellow arab refugees in palastine.

    It gave the arabs a stick to beat the Isrealis with. the yids haven't covered themselves in glory over the occupation of arab lands....(bit Nazi ish really)
    and likewise niether have the ragheads. It is an unfatherable question working within present guidelines.
  15. "Israel didn't want to spoil President Bush's scenario, and it should have,"
    Yossi Sarid, Knesset foreign affairs and defence committee

    Israel knew Iraq had no WMD, says MP

    Associated Press
    Wednesday February 4, 2004
    The Guardian

    A prominent Israeli MP said yesterday that his country's intelligence services knew claims that Saddam Hussein was capable of swiftly launching weapons of mass destruction were wrong but withheld the information from Washington.
    "It was known in Israel that the story that weapons of mass destruction could be activated in 45 minutes was an old wives' tale," Yossi Sarid, a member of the foreign affairs and defence committee which is investigating the quality of Israeli intelligence on Iraq, told the Associated Press yesterday.

    "Israel didn't want to spoil President Bush's scenario, and it should have," he said.

    Another member of the committee, Ehud Yatom, said Israel had told the Americans it believed the weapons existed but had not seen them.

    On Sunday, the former UN weapons inspector, Scott Ritter, told Y-Net, an Israeli newswire, that the Israeli intelligence services reached the conclusion years ago that Iraq no longer had weapons of mass destruction.

    "In the end, if the Israeli intelligence knew that Iraq did not have weapons of mass destruction, so the CIA knew it and thus British intelligence too" he said.

    Another MP, Roman Bronfman, said if Mr Ritter was correct, it meant the government had misled the Israeli public in the run-up to the war when it ordered people to prepare sealed rooms and gas masks in preparation for a potential WMD attack.

    However, questions over the quality of Israeli intelligence are unlikely to concern the public as greatly as in Britain and the US. Israelis overwhelmingly welcomed the overthrow of the Iraqi leader.

    In November 2003, a respected Tel Aviv thinktank concluded that Israeli intelligence had joined the US and Britain in an "exaggerated assessment" of Iraqi weapons.

    In 2002, the former head of the Mossad intelligence agency, Efraim Halevy, told a closed meeting of Nato that there were "clear indications" that Iraq had renewed its efforts to build WMD after the UN weapons inspections were halted in 1998. He also said Iraq had preserved elements of its ability to manufacture chemical and biological weapons.,2763,1140459,00.html
  16. Everyone is conveniently forgetting Syria, how would you like it if, the soviets during the cold war set up camp in Ontario and lobbed rockets into Ohio and Michigan, to hell with the fact it's Canadian soil, you can bet your bottom peso, the US would certainly make it stop.

    Or Canada and Mexico go at it it, and the illegals in Michigan decide to fire off rockets into Ontario, well we would have to hire someone but still we wouldn't be happy.

    As long as the Syrians and Baathists work behind the scenes to foment chaos, I believe IMHO the Israeli's have every right to defend themselves.

    What the Arabs often forget, is if not for the leash that the US wields with Israel, a lot of those places would be in ruins, make no mistake the Israeli's can look after themselves when it comes to kicking butts, and they have the firepower and technology to back it up.

    A cornered rat will attack to defend itself, even if it means certain death, the only way out is for the parties on "both" sides to come to some meaningful dialogue, but as long as one of the parties is forever saying "Death to Israel" well it's kind of hard to conduct civil talks under that...
  17. wet_blobby

    wet_blobby War Hero Moderator

    Israel, only needs to start worring when the yanks start talking about them in "them" terms instead of "us" terms.

    We are a few clicks away from that at the moment.
  18. Get this straight -- the state of Isreal was formed in 1948 from the former
    britsh mandate Palestine. The Brits left the place due to the Jews fighting the Arabs and the over population by illegal immigrant jews . Policing was
    ineffective and quite few Brit .servicemen were getting killed.

    The place has aways been Palestine --before 1945 the jews and Arabs lived peaceably together . Since 1948 the jews have been basically land grabbing .

    Thats why the Arabs are a bit upset
  19. wet_blobby

    wet_blobby War Hero Moderator

    *cough* want to talk about 1917?
  20. 1917 -- very basically the jews were allowed a ''home land '' --part of Palestine . From 1917 to 1945 it was relatively quiet with jews and arabs.
    In 1945 and the end of the European conflict a lot of [[a hell of a lot]] of european jews were left without a country due to borders being realigned .
    The Palestian Brit . authorities consented to a regulated influx for jewish refugees limited by numbers.

    The jews disregarded the limitations and basically overloaded the population of Palestine.
    Arabs were not pleased --they still aint!!

    :nemo: :nemo:

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